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12607.22 in reply to 12607.20
Date: 1/17/2008 11:18:42 PM
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think about Tony Parker and Nate Robinson..
both of them can drive the ball well but only one of them can finish very hard lay-ups..
driving gives the player better opportunities for a shot, which means better percentage but it is nothing without IS and JS skills..


That's one interpretation, but isn't necessarily the way the game engine is coded. To really know, I'm guessing we're going to have to have input from a BB...

Steve

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Date: 1/18/2008 12:43:49 AM
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IS matters for the guards but so does ID..
you don't have to train it because there are not many guards with good ID skills..
if you play "look inside" or "low post", your guards will get inside many times..
zone defense does not change anything, still PG defends PG, SG defends SG..

I doubt it. What's the point of running a zone defense, then?

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Date: 1/18/2008 1:19:25 AM
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Interesting. I hadn't noticed that before.

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Date: 1/18/2008 3:02:38 AM
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don't you watch your games man..?
3-2 gives a boost to your outside defense rating and 2-3 vice versa..
but if you watch the game you can see that your players are still playing man-to man..
have you ever seen a center blocking a guard..?

Having thought about it for a bit, I think that the phenomenon you mentioned (where the opposing position player guards every time) is down to the way the match viewer displays actions. I think that in the game engine, the defensive ability of the opposing player is important, but that other factors (such as if there's a zone) come into play.

I would be truly shocked if they programmed it in such a way that something like zone defense had no effect.

From: Shoei
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Date: 1/18/2008 9:56:11 PM
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guys,

i just read that the back court cannot be trained IS,

but we are talking about lay ups and connection to IS. i dont get the point of talking about it if we cant train it.

the only way now to get them to improve is to train them in rebounding or maybe Inside defense. ( the way im reading the threads it seems so)

it just complicates things, i think there should be a clear understanding as to what driving and inside shot has connection from the bb.

because if you sum driving and inside shot has a relation but for example his driving is strong and inside shot is atricious then your saying his a natural slasher but cant finish at all? imagine how good he pass by his opponent but cant get it down? wow!! this is giving me a headache.



Edited by CoolCat (1/18/2008 9:59:33 PM CET)

Last edited by Shoei at 1/18/2008 9:59:33 PM

From: brian
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Date: 1/25/2008 5:41:53 PM
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bump

I'm already avoiding guards that have low inside shot just to be safe. BB's, any chance we can get clarification on this?

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It doesn't look like it!

You can train the guards at IS with 'one on ones' , but no other inside skills, which could lead to the guards winning the inside battles all the time!

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Date: 1/25/2008 5:55:52 PM
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Ok my understanding is that zone defense boosts team skill which increases likelihood of shot blocks or misses.

The position that players are placed effects the team skills as well.

Like the BBs have always suggested, the more skills are player has the better he is. A player who is highly train only in 1 skill is pretty useless in this game. If you want a player that will work with your team it is about having a player that matches your team.

I am not sure how much the individual line-ups are taken into account. For example if a point guard can shoot inside and does some lay-ups, what is taken into account for the defence.

Anyway the system is not a easy as this is right and this is wrong. You can test and try out strategies but the main thing to note is a well balanced team kicks the ass off a team with one player.

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Date: 1/25/2008 6:39:44 PM
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I understand the importance of multi-skilled players, and that the GE is complex. But, this seems like an area of confusion that comes down to how the programmers of the GE interpreted this type of move. Since inside shot is not a skill to be trained for guards, im assuming the GE would not take this skill into account for an important gaurd ability.

If inside shot is important for that key ability, then guard trainers should be able to train this skill. Being a post player and being able to make a layup are very different. Same for being able to defend a layup vs defending a hook shot.

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From: CitB

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If inside shot is important for that key ability, then guard trainers should be able to train this skill. Being a post player and being able to make a layup are very different. Same for being able to defend a layup vs defending a hook shot.

i think the same,

also influence from height in training is important, i think its easier for taller guys to train inside shot, so it would be slow down skillups on the smaller guards if you train them on forward positions. i think its much better if you train the smaller guards on their normal positions, coz you get much more ups out of this and in the end you build up better players overall. so i wont go on insideshots for my guards only kinda bonus if you on 1on1.

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