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12837.22 in reply to 12837.21
Date: 1/17/2008 10:53:04 PM
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It's possible that CT had an effect on his FG %, I'm not sure. But just because the FG % is about the same doesn't mean there's no benefit to CT - as we've discussed the rebounding advantage seems pretty significant. As you suggest, there might be other advantages we don't know about yet, I was just saying the game in question doesn't seem to be a huge difference his previous games this season.

I don't know about the fouls either, I'd have to go look at sharkboy's previous games to find out if his fouls are usually in the 20 range, or are lower. He never answered my questions about whether his guys had bad stamina or bad defense, so we don't know if those are the reasons for his high fouls.

And for the record, I absolutely think defense and fouls are linked, I'm just not sure how much I think defense and CT are linked.

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12837.23 in reply to 12837.22
Date: 1/17/2008 11:09:14 PM
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Yes, that's what i was trying to point out in my first post.

But you can take it to the bank that CT/TIE indeed effects Fouls. I've started playing TIE since mid season. Before that i had an average of 14-16 fouls. (Can't really recall the exact average. )
When i started playing TIE i realized i started committing 20+ fouls.
It's reasonable to assume that it is linked to defense after playing 9 TIE matches and 13 normal matches.

Edited by Riceball (1/17/2008 11:09:49 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 1/17/2008 11:09:49 PM

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12837.24 in reply to 12837.21
Date: 1/17/2008 11:13:34 PM
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I've thought about this more, and here's what I've got. Even if I think that CT affects defense, that shouldn't affect fouls, because the fouls would largely be called when the team who is CTing is on offense. So you'd argue that CT would make your offense better (thus causing the opponent to commit more fouls) not the other way around.

Unless you think that CT causes your opponent to commit more fouls, but that doesn't make sense to me, and I have proof to back it up. I check several of sharkboy's previous games, and here is the number of fouls he commited:
25, 22, 20, 27, 28, 23, 20, 19
This leads me to believe he just has really bad defenders or bad stamina, or both, and that if there was a CT involved, it had nothing to do with the amount of fouls called.

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12837.25 in reply to 12837.24
Date: 1/17/2008 11:20:23 PM
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I think you misread my point. My point was that his (the opponent) 14 fouls could have been 21 if he didn't play CT. I wasn't referring to the 20+ Sharkboy made. Sorry if it was misleading.

There is no deny though, that Sharboy' Defense is a bit broken if he has an average of 20+ fouls

Edited by Riceball (1/17/2008 11:21:28 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 1/17/2008 11:21:28 PM

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12837.26 in reply to 12837.25
Date: 1/17/2008 11:28:43 PM
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You're right, I did misread that. I just went and checked Toys BC's (his opponent) fouls for the last few games, and I found this:
23, 10, 18, 17, 13, 19, 21, 13, 17

There is a pretty large variation there, but the average of those is 17 fouls, which leads me to believe that CT (it it was a CT) doesn't affect fouls.

Also, the last time sharkboy played this guy, the fouls were 28 to 17 in favor of Toys BC, so it's not too far from the result this time.

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12837.27 in reply to 12837.26
Date: 1/17/2008 11:33:32 PM
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What I'm thinking right now is that there wasn't a CT in a first place.

It makes sense to me that Defense effects fouls and opponent FG%. According to the statistics, Fouls and FG% hasn't been altered. Which makes me question if the opponent indeed used a CT....

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12837.28 in reply to 12837.27
Date: 1/17/2008 11:40:28 PM
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Frankly, I agree. I think sharkboy's upset isn't much of an upset at all. ;)

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12837.29 in reply to 12837.28
Date: 1/17/2008 11:43:47 PM
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Hope he reads this, otherwise it was all for naught.

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12837.30 in reply to 12837.29
Date: 1/17/2008 11:56:59 PM
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Oh, I don't know. I've enjoyed it ;)