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Very well said. My friend HeadPaperPusher said that an SF needs 12/12 on HA/PA. 95%+ of the PGs have lower skills than that. I am really having hard time to see any good SF having good enough inside/outside skills PLUS 12/12 on PA/HA.

I dont think that the creators of the game they want big men to look like PG's, of PF like SF's. I think that they want to avoid monsters like Cardenas. They are trying to find some balance.

I dont really think that they want to go from the one end to the other. Every position must have there roles, and there skills to go with. If not, and they want C's like guards then the game is on a serious trouble.

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/25/2010 2:16:24 PM

My friend HeadPaperPusher said that an SF needs 12/12 on HA/PA. 95%+ of the PGs have lower skills than that. I am really having hard time to see any good SF having good enough inside/outside skills PLUS 12/12 on PA/HA.

Well, as always it depends on the skills that your SF is facing. But I'm talking about high level SFs, the guys that you will see in division I of Canada, for example. Of course division IV teams will not need guys that high.

However, if you are talking about the guy you are developping for your NT, then 6-8 passing/handling is not going to cut it. One of the top teams in my division just picked up a PG to play SF. More will follow. While I don't think it is an optimal tactic, you have to make compromises if you don't want to spend 15 million on a beast.

Besides, I have already showed you it is possible to train such a SF. Passing and handling train quite fast, you just have to make sure your SF trainee is on the shorter end of the spectrum. Sure, you give up some inside skills by doing this, but inside shot of SFs is now over-rated. The offensive role of a SF in an inside offense is now to get the ball inside to your PFs and Cs. If they have inside shooting skills, that part is gravy.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 1/25/2010 2:34:13 PM

How many Wendons are out there? We are 50.000 users on this game. Wendon is unique. Very few like him. Maybe your describe the ideal kind of SF, but again the ideal is so rear like the 7 wonders of the world...What i wanted to point, is that we need to be more realistic in what we are asking.

Wendon is unique.

Maybe one or two seasons ago he was. Now he is probably just in the top 1% of SFs. Still a great player, and the backbone of my team, but even I have someone on the horizon who will be better. The key to him is still his high passing and handling, though. ;-)

You have to realize that the SFs coming up will have wondrous+ outside d, so on offense their profile will have to change to match it. What works now for skills at the NT level will not next season or two seasons down the road.

Like or dislike is irrelevant - its more about respect for other posters and crediting other managers with more intelligence than you often do. We both have unique tones to our responses but that should not detract from pretending to not understand what the thread is about or what the original poster was asking.

I don't want him to become another Center with good Jump shoot,

Was met with your response of;

The 4 inside skills + Jump Shot.

No point nit-picking through the rest. Its obvious not everyone shares your view on how to create a PF. Nonetheless, thats also not the point I was trying to get across. It is only with the help of dedicated, knowledgeable and/or clever managers within the community that formulas are discovered and slowly we start to (or so we think!) start to unravel the deliberate cryptic news items and rules that the BB's have laid out before us.

Your opinion is as valid as the next managers, but your delivery and inability to comprehend (I'd like to think not purposely but sometimes I question) arguments that you dont agree with leaves a lot to be desired.

Granted Im also a character you also either love or hate but I enjoy and rely on threads like this to try and fugure out ways to improve my team. The game engine has changed and the more people that attempt (fail or succeed) to create slightly different players to those that most of us have seen day in day out for season upon season I say the better. Whether they go on to surpass the quality of players we can all create easily remains to be seen.

Sure, a draftee 6'10 PF with pitiful OD isnt likely to grace a Div 1 anytime soon (except maybe Barbados). But as others have shown and agreed if there was an influx of PF's with Proficient and above OD with their other skills suitably complementing I think we would see a number of high profile managers attempting to win those signatures at auction.

Well stated.

From my experience, i am using 2 players as PF's. 1 PF one C. The 1st one has 3 on OD, 10 on JS and both have the same IS. The C has 1 on OD, 8 on JS but he is significant better on ID/RE than the 1st. When i am using the 2nd as a PF he tend to fall in foul troubles at much higher rate than the 1st (also he is fouling more than when he is playing C). My conclusion from that is that some OD is needed for PF. How much? i really dont know...

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/26/2010 5:23:07 AM

So what would you say on the fact that the Spanish NT uses a player on the SF position whose passing is atrocious?

Last edited by Asasasa at 1/26/2010 5:50:52 AM

So what would you say on the fact that the Spanish NT uses a player on the SF position whose passing is atrocious?

That if I was the manager of another NT, I would always play 3-2 zone against them. I do not need to worry about their inside attack too much, since they will not be able to get the ball to their PF and C.

So what would you say on the fact that the Spanish NT uses a player on the SF position whose passing is atrocious?

I would also say that Spain has been lucky so far as they are able to move the ball inside with other players (your flow is respectable so your PG and SG must have really high flow skills to compensate for your lack of them at the SF position). When the competition gets tougher and you face higher levels of outside d, your team will find it very difficult to run an inside offense effectively, provided your opponent sees your weakness and runs the appropriate tactic (ie: not a 2-3 zone).

I currently train a PF who will have strong OD and Proficient passing by the end of the season to go along with 13+ on the three main inside skills. So these more well rounded PF's exist.