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I think Jumpshot can be useful for a Center but I am sure there are others that don't like having it.

That just proves that the transfer price estimate is completely wrong. I would bet a large amount of money that the 19 year old will sell for more than the 18 year old. The 19 year old has better potential and has much better skills.

How does that prove the transfer price estimate is completely wrong? The TPE is what the current transfers of players with similar skills are. That cannot be wrong! Just because it doesn't tie in with what you believe does not discredit its worth... Only yours.

As for the 18 year old not being worth more... He is worth much more because in exactly 1 seasons time he will have much higher skills than the other does at the moment. And as for potential, I dont intend on either of these players having salaries over 100k so what is the point in having higher potential? I bought the 18 year old because he will cap exactly when I want him to and if I saved money because he has lower potential, well I guess that is a great move by me... Although I doubt it as I know of a player with star potential that sold for 4.9 mill and he wasnt well rounded.

As for my player, he was a power forward/center with good secondaries, and I am saying that they sell for more than someone with prominent inside skills and atrocious secondaries. I don't think you would be able to find many 19 year olds with better skills than that guy.

1) He is a good C/PF with good handling... He doesn't get many turnovers... That is a secondary... Not plural...
2) If you spend a whole season training secondaries on a young prospect, his value will drop weekly as the vast majority (who in a lot of cases would be wrong) would pay much more for a player who is a whole season ahead in his primaries.
3) The very player that this thread is about will be a much better 19 yo C/PF than that guy!

The TPE doesn't work well.It appraise mainly only one skill,while a player to be useful had to have at least 3 skills for a center(for example)
And it is based on the previous transfers on players with only the skill that it appraise similar,so he could appraise two completely different players with almost the same value.Besides,the previous transfers could be affected by some strange transfer,or by some mistake in the evaluation of the players made by buyers

Don't entrust so much of the TPE ;D

Any experienced manager knows that the TPE is way off in the majority of cases, especially for trainees and especially for uniquely skilled players.
The 18 year old that you listed will NOT sell for more than the 19 year old.

Very simply put, people overpay for potential! The 19 year old has better skills currently (although he hasn't been trained well so far) and has better potential so he will sell for more. The 19 year old also has better height for training secondaries.

The fact that you think the TPE can't be wrong means you know nothing about how the TPE works. More than half of the players on my roster don't have TPEs listed, and the ones that do have a listing are wrong because the TPE doesn't consider every skill.

As for your points about the player I sold, he is 19 years old, and he had 2 strongs, 3 proficients, and good skills in many other areas.
I gave the player I sold over 10 weeks of secondary skills training and he sold for almost 2 million dollars. Secondaries sell for a LOT of money, at least when there are experienced and smart users on the market.

And actually, I think most people would rather buy a center with great guard skills and average inside skills, or a guard with great inside skills and average guard skills, because then they can easily train up the primary skills without having to play a player out of position. Training primary skills is easier than training secondary skills.

Show me a player that exists right now that is better, you can't say that a player in the future will be better because you don't know if he will get injured, or the user quits or something else.

i see you met my friend pabs :)

have fun, ive fought this fight before.

in the end pabs a good guy and a good manager he just has very different thoughts about things.

haha fair enough :P

And it is based on the previous transfers on players with only the skill that it appraise similar,so he could appraise two completely different players with almost the same value.

That is why there is a swing of 800k in the 18 yo and only 100k in the 19 year old. It gives you the price range from lowest to highest price the player sells for, not the average. That is worked out on a players age, potential and highest skill. The arguement I have with Naker is that a player with higher standout skills will always get more money than a player who spends a long time training secondaries.

Any experienced manager knows that the TPE is way off in the majority of cases, especially for trainees and especially for uniquely skilled players.
The 18 year old that you listed will NOT sell for more than the 19 year old.

I have explained this in my last post...

Very simply put, people overpay for potential! The 19 year old has better skills currently (although he hasn't been trained well so far) and has better potential so he will sell for more. The 19 year old also has better height for training secondaries.

I agree that people over pay for potential... But a player who will have much high skills and only Perennial All Star potential to Superstar will sell for much more. The better a player is when they are younger means faster training. Therefore equals more value in both training and the sum you can sell that player for...

And my 19 year old was drafted in the last draft which I spent not a cent on. I was originally going to get rid of him but decided to keep him as a secondary trainee to the 18 yo. He has had half a season of inside training and 1 week of 1 on 1 and it is clear he will make an exceptional SF. He will be training the same as this for a while and will train OD and JR mostly when I start training my next 18 year old in a couple of seasons... There is nothing wrong with the way this player has been training.

The fact that you think the TPE can't be wrong means you know nothing about how the TPE works. More than half of the players on my roster don't have TPEs listed, and the ones that do have a listing are wrong because the TPE doesn't consider every skill.

Also explained in my last post...

As for your points about the player I sold, he is 19 years old, and he had 2 strongs, 3 proficients, and good skills in many other areas.
I gave the player I sold over 10 weeks of secondary skills training and he sold for almost 2 million dollars. Secondaries sell for a LOT of money, at least when there are experienced and smart users on the market.

2 proficients and 2 strongs for primaries... His only secondary of note is handling. Respectable JS is actually not considered good for a good PF and anything lower in all other secondaries may as well not even be mentioned... And he would have sold for much more had he had and extra 10 weeks of primary training. My last trainee was worth 2 mill as an 18 year old with allstar potential.

And actually, I think most people would rather buy a center with great guard skills and average inside skills, or a guard with great inside skills and average guard skills, because then they can easily train up the primary skills without having to play a player out of position. Training primary skills is easier than training secondary skills.

I didn't buy an 18 year old SG who is 6"11 to train in guard skills... Although with 10 weeks of 1 on 1 training for your guy, I am predicting this is a new theory for you...

Show me a player that exists right now that is better, you can't say that a player in the future will be better because you don't know if he will get injured, or the user quits or something else.

If you truly believe that is the best player getting around, why would you sell him? His value would only get higher with more training... Unless you keep training secondaries.

Last edited by Pablo Ignatio Montoya at 8/24/2010 9:09:21 PM

have fun, ive fought this fight before.

Don't make me bring up the result! ;)

TPE is way off in the majority of cases. I could show you over 100 players listed right now that will not sell within their TPE. And if the TPE is an 800k range then it isn't accurate.

If the 19 year old was drafted at 19 then training is fine. But what I mean is that his skills aren't as high as it could be for a 19 year old.

Respectable Jump Shot is good for a PF when you realise the PF is 19 years old. Obviously the Jump Shot will be trained up higher in the future. But for 19 years old that is pretty good. So how much do you think my guy would have sold for if I had just trained primaries and not secondaries? 2.5 million? 3 million?

I sold him because I think that 1.75 million dollars is more use to me now in div 2 than 2.5 million dollars would be if I kept training him for the rest of the season. I would rather stay in div 2 than train up a powerforward, especially considering today's market.

well half the result was i was wrong , the other half was you were wrong as i will be staying in div 2.