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Playing RnG or Motion is a way to influence the type of plays and shots taken by the players but they will still try all kind of plays and shots. Will a bonus apply to ALL the shots taken ? It doesn't reflect anything close to reality and it is in contradiction to how the GE works IMO.
Skills already make players better at some plays and shots than others, why downgrade the GE with this suggestion ?

One of the challenges of BB is to figure what combination of skills you need to run an offense or to assemble a team of rounded players dangerous from anywhere. Adding something like a prefered offense feels like trying to get round it to have a simpler and more basic game. I don't like it.

And why not can he have a "bonus ability" to go down low. Anyway, why would you use the inside tactic when the player has shooting range like that or if they are a low post player.

I don't want to use inside tactic. Your proposal is to add bonus for some tactic for players. I understand it should be permanent feature of player, like height or potential, and I can't change it.
So I ask You - what if player has bonus for LI tactic but he has IS=1 and JS=20 and JR=20? It has no sense.
For me this players has big ability to play RnG and we don't need new parameter, because skills are enough. If I want outside oriented player - I train JS/JR. If I want to inside oriented players - I train IS.

I disagree. Most players simply "understand" some offense schemes alot better than others. That´s something you can only train to some degree - some (high skilled) players were never able to play the triangle, because they simply never understood it.

Just like some skills - passing is a good example - it´s not only a physical ability (thus displayed in the skills), but also a mental ability needed to run certain things. A good example is my Shooting Guard Nenad Lucic - he´s a very solid Guard for my level of gaming, but there´s some offenses where he simply fails to make the right decisions.

So far, this is to some degree displayed in his skills, but the skills alone don´t neccesarrily reflect the decisions he´s making on the court (for example excessige driving to the basket, though he keeps missing). If he has a low skill here, he shouldnt take the shot, shouldnt he?

Just treat the proposal of a "bonus" as the request for a new skill. A skill which tells us how good a player can "mentally" adopt to a certain kind of offense, or actually points out to which kind of offense his "mental skillset" is predetermined to.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 3:06:33 PM

All right, to elaborate on what you suggest, players could have a kind of degree of mastery level of offences and defences. The levels would go up and down if you practice them in training or not. I'd like it better this way.

That again is covered by experience. I think the concept of the originator of that thread is more diverse, though I agree that a "preferrence" of some kind should be altered by ... let´s say "minutes under the belt of that certain offense".

In the court, you tend to try moves you're good at or you play like you were told and taught in practice. So whether you have the skills for a move or you have practiced a few systems. I don't understand what you mean by having to adapt mentally if it's not practicing.

edit : to clarify my earlier post, I meant if you choose to practice Motion one week, your players will have their level of ability in the offence Motion going up. Untrained tactics level of ability would deteriorate over time. I think it's in the spirit of the original suggestion.

Last edited by Manouche at 8/23/2011 3:39:30 PM

Well, of course there´s some kind of training needed to learn playbooks. But actually it´s that: learn playbooks, study videos, BE ON THE COURT and run the schemes with your teammates. I think plenty of that "learning an offense" happens ingame, and not so much on the practice court. I don´t see any current training which could actually "improve" any playbook ability.

So given there´s a new skill we either need it ...

... not to change at all.
... to change by the minutes played in a certain offense (so there´s a lifetime statistic about the offenses a player played in, and a player starts with let´s say 1500 Minutes under the belt of his original favourite offense). so once a new offense becomes a favourite (=most played) offense, the preferrence switches (no more than once a season though, preferrably in the off-season / new season setup?)
... to invent a new form of team training, which has a ... 10%? chance of altering the preferred offense into something you can choose from (or maybe you can only choose the focus - or the speed, but not the distinct offense itself) ... and which produces a solid amount of "b and c skill training" so that there´s some impact on the regular skills aswell

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 3:42:30 PM

I really think that's something you learn in practice. You certainly can't play a true Princeton if you were not explained the fundamentals, have practiced the moves while being corrected by the coach until you feel comfortable with it and then apply what you have learnt in games.
You gain some experience by employing it in games but the workload is done in practice.

Well, yes, I mean: there´s no CURRENT training (in buzzerbeater) which trains that.

Just like some skills - passing is a good example - it´s not only a physical ability (thus displayed in the skills), but also a mental ability needed to run certain things. A good example is my Shooting Guard Nenad Lucic - he´s a very solid Guard for my level of gaming, but there´s some offenses where he simply fails to make the right decisions.

It actually does not require a science degree to understand why your player is unable to run some offences and takes some awkward shots. Every time you have used this player on PG or SG position, your offencive flow suffers. I'm guessing your player has high driving and JS, while lacking seriously in passing. He has not managed, to outpass both of your big men spots, in any game this season. Perhaps he makes better decisions when he gains some experience, but it seems, his scoring abilitys are too high compared to his passing abilitys and even a bad shot, while being smothered by defenders, seems a valid option for him (instead of creating a turnover).

That doenst explain his tendency to go to the basket in patient (which his relally what I don´t understand). His passing is okay, but for sure not great compared to his shooting. His IS is extremely low compared to his outside shooting. So even IF his passing is bad, he should still pass before he tries the layup, wouldnt you agree?

Still, in some offenses (and only then) he´s going to the basket play by play by play only to miss and miss and miss.

I can see him racking up pointless midrange jumpers all game long, as this is wahat his skills suggest, but given his skills there´s absolutely no reason he keeps going to the rim.

And it´s not ilke the shot clock is winding down all the time, there´s plenty attempts with like 10 seconds left (and other players around who should dominate their matchup alot more than he does)

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 4:12:07 PM