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213218.22 in reply to 213218.21
Date: 3/24/2012 8:37:43 PM
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Huh ? You are the one who started with stuff like 3 is always better than 2 which has led to nothing...

2 is unacceptable imho and I simply stated than a decent level of secondaries was a better advice imho for a lower league imho keeping in mind the OP is in US D.IV.
An extra level in the primaries cost a lot and is not cost-effective enough in a lower league when you struggle to save money to develop your team (expanding the arena, filling the slots on untrained positions, simple stuff like staff or draft cost the same D.I or D.V which in effect is more expensive for lower league teams with less revenue).
Now sometimes it could be a very good choice, not for cbbakke I think, looking at his roster, he is very far from being competitive at the next level and needs to climb a few steps before that.

I have never claimed I had calculations to show, I have only criticised the simplicity of yours.
I don't even dream of having enough data for that and I am quite scared at the amount of data you may have. Is it at all level of play ? :)

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213218.23 in reply to 213218.22
Date: 3/25/2012 2:01:23 AM
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i have this stud (17900535) a player for every division ;-)

looks like handling helps to get assists?!

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: pitiful Handling: sensational
Driving: proficient Passing: strong
Inside Shot: strong Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: average Free Throw: average

Experience: awful

Cheers

Last edited by WillFreeman at 3/25/2012 2:02:03 AM

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213218.24 in reply to 213218.1
Date: 3/25/2012 5:36:18 AM
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just dont go lower then 4 in passing and handling it will just result in 2 turnovers n in close games that make can make a huge difference, 4 is enough for DIV IV and 5-7 for DIV III IMO

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213218.25 in reply to 213218.22
Date: 3/25/2012 10:25:56 AM
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Okay, I interpreted Your sentence wrong.

We talk about minimum acceptable level. And for me HN should be >=2. Of course 5 is >=2 so it fulfill this condition.

But how many players can You find, who fulfill all conditions?

I went to TL and tried to find players with conditions as follow:

salary = 10.000 - 35.000
price <= 500.000
RB >=11
ID >=11

I could be wrong because currently I don't know realities in div IV, but I think these conditions are proper for C/PF in div IV.

and I made two next conditions:
HN >= 5 (Your condition)
and
OD >=5 (because I don't see reason to have OD worse than HN).

On TL I found only 17 players. And only 3 of them fulfilled my next conditions (they aren't very hard: all skils >=2-3, age <=32, ST >=4, not injured). And I didn't even check how well players is balanced. Most of them weren't worth their price.

So Your condition looks very good but only in theory. Reality is completely different. 3 balanced big men for all clubs in div. IV and most/all of them overpriced. And if You want to develop Your team not too slowly, You must make compromis and lower conditions.

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213218.26 in reply to 213218.25
Date: 3/25/2012 10:34:04 AM
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What do you guys think of a undersized (203cm) bigman with pointguard skills?
1on1: 10
Handling: 10
Pass: 9

Would this kind of a bigman have an advantage or is just a waste of training

Last edited by d*.*b at 3/25/2012 10:36:47 AM

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213218.27 in reply to 213218.26
Date: 3/25/2012 11:09:40 AM
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Well height doesn't matter you can have a 190cm big man if he has the skills. So it depends what big man skills he has as well.

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213218.28 in reply to 213218.26
Date: 3/25/2012 11:09:46 AM
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Players with great skill level at the wrong spots are the best players to train my friend. Those become the well-rounded players that everyone is now looking for on the transfer market.

And at that height he'll train just fine at the big man skills. I assume it's Ivanov that you're speaking of so he's going to cap relatively early anyways. You could make him into a very effective SF or PF eventually. Maybe even a great SF.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 3/25/2012 11:12:34 AM

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213218.29 in reply to 213218.25
Date: 3/25/2012 2:10:51 PM
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I did a search using your criteria except HN >=2 and found 11 players. It's a lot more than 3 but still not a plethora and there aren't enough of them for the thousands of lower league teams in BB. From 3 to 11, the difference doesn't seem that big looking from this perspective.
Anyway, I can sense if he we do a search tomorrow, it could return twice those numbers like if players were magically flooding the market :P

Have you checked the OP's team ?

cbbakke, what problem did you have with your former C, he looked good. Was his salary too heavy on your economy ?
And why are you asking this question about handling ? Maybe it won't make any difference in respect to your specific problem if there is one.

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213218.30 in reply to 213218.29
Date: 3/25/2012 3:09:14 PM
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Anyway, I can sense if he we do a search tomorrow, it could return twice those numbers like if players were magically flooding the market :P

We can wait even 2 seasons. But for this time club can win many matches and promote twice, instead of to wait for "ideal 20-30k C" ;-)

Well balanced players with good secondaries and low salaries are very useful in long-term strategy. But in winning strategy these players should be too weak after promotion, and should be replaced after few weeks, so they shouldn't be key players in long-term strategy ;-)

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213218.31 in reply to 213218.30
Date: 3/25/2012 3:27:21 PM
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There are only 11 of your ideal C...
Tomorrow is FA's galore, didn't get it ?

I have only given my appreciation of what was the desirable level imo and answered the OP's question. I have never talked about ideals, there are no ideals, you want but can't have and make compromises in order to get the best. So the OP will make the compromises he feels like with our answers.

Have you checked his roster ? Still not I guess...

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213218.32 in reply to 213218.31
Date: 3/25/2012 3:49:43 PM
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There are only 11 of your ideal C...

No one is ideal.
17 (currently 19) players fulfill search criteria. Only 3 of them fulfill few other basic conditions.

I have never talked about ideals,

So if minimum level is HN=5 and on TL we have only 3 acceptable players with HN=5, then if we want to find good player (not ideal) we should wait 5 seasons. Or buy very bad player who has admittedly HN>=5, but horrible other parameters.

In this way works Your "tip" ;-)

If HN should be >=5 then PA should be at least >=6, OD at least >=6, etc and number of players who fulfill these conditions still will be low, even with free agents. And please note that low level free agents are very expensive (10x salary).

Have you checked his roster ? Still not I guess..

It doesn't matter. He doesn't need C/PF with HN=5 ;-)

He should find C with proper JS, OD, DV, PA, IS, ID, RB, SB.

Last edited by B.B.King at 3/25/2012 3:50:33 PM

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