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234720.22 in reply to 234720.21
Date: 1/16/2013 4:28:26 PM
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Better to train Bigs. Guards you can always buy left and right. But it's rare, and expensive, to buy Bigs you like. Also, in training Bigs you can sell away 1-2 of the 3 you trAin each time and make nasty profits.

This, is also true - if you train bigs well.
I sold my last two trainees for...
(22851352) - 1.2 million at age 20.
(21452760) - 1.8 million at age 21.
I would never sell my oldest trainee (21305788), he's simply too valuable to me (both sentimentally and actually), and I can't imagine selling my #2: (23706795)... but if I did, they'd possibly go for north of 3 million. Maybe.

There's no such thing as a *right* way. There's no such thing as the best position to train. You train 'em well, you'll see profits.
One thing I'll say about SFs, whilst it's nice to have a guy who's easy to train, and will see big profits if they're nice... invariably they will always play out of position whilst you're training them.

Last edited by malice at 1/16/2013 4:30:38 PM

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234720.23 in reply to 234720.22
Date: 1/16/2013 4:35:46 PM
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Yeah especially SF's - always out of position
but boy is it worth it, saved some JS for last so he can play SF
but I'm looking at another RB pop next season
This guy can play both Inside and out, off and def
ID = 13, OD = 15....JR = 9 & IS = 12
(16769645)

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234720.24 in reply to 234720.23
Date: 1/16/2013 5:50:57 PM
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Yup... my HK big (Tim) played SF/PF for the HK U21 team last season, and looking at the prices of high-end SFs on the market makes me think I might be best off training him towards that side of the court a bit more. I don't think he'll ever be a true SF (being 7'1" kinda makes it harder), but I *can* play him at SF sometimes, depending on what the opposition has.

The true beauty of having an elite SF is the quality of returns for the salary spent. Elite bigs/guards cost a fortune every week. My primary trainee (an MVP C) will cost a fortune if I cap him out.

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234720.25 in reply to 234720.21
Date: 1/17/2013 10:52:37 PM
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Better to train guards, huh? :D(23474021) Anthony Boswell, sold for 1.23 mil, (23475696) Colin Alexander, sold for 634k and (22722238) Nathaniel Mounier, sold for 553k, then recently sold for 800k.

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234720.26 in reply to 234720.25
Date: 1/18/2013 2:21:07 AM
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I'm sure if I really wanted I could pull up all my cases for my argument. I could probably also take averages for sale price of bigs at a set salary range and for guards etc. and do all that

So people pulling their random examples of sales doesn't really mean anything to me as it is not put into perspective with sample size and price range etc etc etc. if you are really trying to convince me give me some good empirical evidence

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234720.27 in reply to 234720.12
Date: 1/18/2013 2:55:54 AM
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I agree but unfortunately when you look at U21 big men and young centers, generally no other skills besides inside shot, rebounding, inside D, and shot-blocking are above mediocre-average, unless they were drafted with skills like that.


You forgot to add "with few exceptions" Lots of our bigs sport at least one secondary above respectable, mostly it's DR or JS. Of course the primaries are a bit lower because of that, but you can compensate in other areas like turnovers...(22121)

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234720.28 in reply to 234720.26
Date: 1/18/2013 5:00:34 PM
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I'm not trying to say that it's better to train bigs. I'm just showing my example of the type of profit that can be made from a big with decent secondaries. Of course, one can do the same for a guard.

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Date: 1/19/2013 12:28:32 AM
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I'm not trying to say that it's better to train bigs. I'm just showing my example of the type of profit that can be made from a big with decent secondaries. Of course, one can do the same for a guard.

Precisely.

The thing for me is that there tend to be more badly trained bigs on the market. More bigs with heavy-on-the-primaries, shocking-on-the-secondaries available than crapola guards.
But a well-trained player is going to get cash. Regardless.

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