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Do you list players for 1k with the hope they'll go for 1-10k?

Honestly what's the problem? With the tax it makes no sense to sell that kind of players. 3 seasons or 25 seasons this is still true. Unless of course you know how the formula works and can show us that selling 2-3 guys like that does not affect the tax on more expensive players.

Somebody is wondering why people fire players and this looks like a good reason.

No I mean the recent change in tax that links the tax to the number of sales. So if you sell 14x$1k players and then you try to sell a $3 million player, you could make less than $50k for the whole lot (I remember Kozlik was at 102% tax on new players with 14+ transactions).

In the past there was no drawback to sell multiple $1k-$10k, yes you would get less than the final price (old tax) but it did not affect your subsequent sales (old tax with recent adjustments).

I'm not going to sell scrubs for that price with the risk that I'm losing tens of thousands on more important players.

These are my scrubs that I will fire when someone better comes along because my starters are worth $500k+ and each 1% drop in price due to the new tax system is a minimum of $5k loss.
Héctor Adorno 6/4/7 8/5/9 6/7/4/6 6/3 23yo 6'9'' starter (bought at 22yo for 2k)
Adrian Chernov 3/7/6 5/6/7 5/5/6/7 6/6 20yo 6'0'' allstar (bought at 19yo for 4k)
These are players that could have helped somebody.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 7/1/2015 4:04:43 AM

You have sold one guy in that last 14 weeks. If you were to sold your 2 guys, it would not affect any other sales you would make for players with a long presence in your club. You either refuse to grasp the mechanism of the taxes (existing well before you started to play) or you are voluntarily spreading false informations.

It's not me who's failing to understand here. I fire players in order to keep that number low in case I decide to make a roster move and I have to sell players who cost $500k, $1 million or $2 millions. I fired all my draftees in the last 2 season.

Seriously Perpete. I tell you that I fire players so that the number is low and I pay less taxes and you reply "hey dude, your sales number is low so you don't have a problem" ??? Well duh, I chose to fire players instead of selling so that the number is low and the tax rate does not increase as much. I can't believe someone finds this to be complicated.

Sell 3 draftees or fire 3 draftees: what is the impact on the tax for a player you bought 2 months earlier (he would be around 10% tax if you had 0 sales)? 0% 1% 2% 5%? Hint: it's more than 2%. A 1% increase in tax costs me at least $10k if I plan to sell a $1 million player.

Also when I had lots of sales (more than 10 on the Utopia team) the tax was not 3% but 4% for other long term players (more than a season, not draftees), so I go by the assumption that with several sales even long term players can be affected by 1%. I hope my reasoning is clear and you tone down the rhetoric...

As is the fact that you need

many

sales in the last 14 weeks to affect other sales.

This is false and you know it. Even 1 sale leads to a higher tax and we know that when it's more than 1 it increases exponentially to the point that taxes were over 100% for 20+ sales and a short holding period. The difference between 0 and 3 is over 2% for 60 days players, I know that much. That difference was not there before they changed the sale tax to hurt daytraders and therefore it has not been there since before I started playing...

You can't have possibly forgot this discussion: (264414.1)


Besides you disagreeing, the point still stands. People do fire players, even MVP potential, for various reasons. One reason is to avoid paying salary (the sale money is lower than the player's salary), another is to avoid higher taxes.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 7/1/2015 7:23:16 AM

There is also the fact that if you were able to buy them for nothing and think they would be sold too low to your own interest

There is no automatic suggestion of price for them at the moment, but I do remember that for both of them it was very low last season (and certainly not as high as 10k).

there is no shortage of that kind of player. If there was, they would be of higher value.

Again you're making the assumption that the limited number of people playing this game behave rationally. A lot of people don't behave rationally in real life, especially in relation to things they don't understand or don't care about. In this game players who need development or have low potential are not very interesting and are more difficult to evaluate, because the difference between 2 scrubs selling for <$5k can be significant.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 7/1/2015 9:19:08 AM

Save 3 more points and do the group demonstration. You will then have quite a few players to choose from for your first ever pick. Don't abstain from the draft. There are some gems in there if you commit a small amount to looking for them.

I'm on a three seasons draft streak and honestly that's an error on my part.

I did the same, but for me it's an error because I wasn't able to find a good prospect and will have to pick blindly. It's very likely I'll end up with three trash Players, maybe an already capped dude and I'll have to fire them right away, which kills my "I know out star players"-rating once again.

In my opinion the draft needs to be less volatile - you either hit gold or get complete trash. Ist very rare to get something in between.