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Reality is that his roster is almost worth twice mine.

I need to use the "Pistons Bad Boys" tactics and hope that he plays his roster out of position for training minutes and greed (to get another home gate)

I'll definately try a few things and wont die wondering

The moral of the story (which i covered in the 2nd post of this thread) is

If you hold onto your 300k big man you might struggle. Very hard to win in this comp with one good player and no depth.

It's all about team balance and not coming up to the ABBL before you are ready. I wanted you to do well sid given you are a former II.3 guy like myself C-Cat and Whitebeard but alas the 300k C was your downfall. Especially given that you held onto him for so long.

Would have been a much better option to sell him off in the beginning and get a couple of 70-100k guys

No doubt although I was spewing that I didnt have that couple hundred extra K to get him back in for the relegation games

In hindsight I definately wish I had of listened to you and traded him out earlier.

Losses in the first two games stuffed me up as I was then for ever hanging onto Mijac to win me that extra game or two that would save me from relegation. (Ofcourse at the time I had no money to buy a half decent replacement)

Am hoping that Doncaster Flames will realise how dominant they are and keep me alive so that they can get another home final gate (With a third going to HA)

There was a push by a few of the old gang to lobby for my return as they believe that my team will be the weakest of all those relegated

What are my chances of ending back in II.3?

Do the stadium prices I have fixed for next season look about right for an ABBL team relegating with the nbr of seats stadium has?

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/13/2011 12:30:24 AM

lol I'm going to be a smart alec and say you have a one in four chance of going back to II.3 and that your stadium income will take a big hit... just have a look at last seasons abbl demotees.. tasmanian eagles, south brisbane vultures and phoenix 5.

Getting to the abbl early is good and all, but you should've tanked it from the start to make as much money as possible. =P
In hindsight, imagine how good it would look now if u had that 1mil promo money + 4.4mil savings (400k x 11 weeks) + 1st pick.
You can go back to dvi2 with a good rookie to train and a tonne of money.

But of course that wouldnmt be fun, and it defeats the whole purpose of playing BB in the first place.. or is it?

But of course that wouldnmt be fun, and it defeats the whole purpose of playing BB in the first place.. or is it?

Its a classic case of taking a step back in order to take 2 steps forward.

Tanking in ABBL and taking advantage of the extra revenues and savings will put any team in a good position to get themselves back in the ABBL after another season back down in D2. (just ask Adams Guns). You can afford to have a roster in D2 that no one can match.

Instead I'll be going back with about a $100K in the bank, a lot of experience, a bigger stadium and a fairly deep roster for div 2 that will hopefully allow me to sell a few off a few players as the season progresses that might just allow me to have enough coin in the bank to buy a few Mijacs when the time is right. (to repeat the cycle all over again)

Are the prices $10, $35, $100 and $800 about right for a relegating ABBL team entering div 2 with an 18,000 seat stadium

Its a classic case of taking a step back in order to take 2 steps forward.

Tanking in ABBL and taking advantage of the extra revenues and savings will put any team in a good position to get themselves back in the ABBL after another season back down in D2. (just ask Adams Guns). You can afford to have a roster in D2 that no one can match.

Or, you could just not take any steps back and have a long term improvement plan that will consistently keep you moving forward and you wouldn't have to waste a season in the ABBL and then another re-adjusting to div2 again. Look at the way iwen has done it for example. No reason why more people can't be more like him planning wise instead of this yo-yo effect we see season after season from teams who haven't planned on what they're going to do once they actually get to the ABBL.

nooooo Direwolf dont say that..
If everyone played like iwen how are teams like koops going to survive in the abbl..

I need teams to go bot or tank in their first season in the ABBL in order for me to survive.

3 seasons in a row of inactive/bots for our conference: shoei, hp tigers and canberra. Surely we might get lucky again next season? :)

Couldn't agree more Dire. We had this discussion last night in game chat and it is beyond me as to why teams don't have more of a long term view. I started int eh same seasons as HA and i'm playing in an ABBL semi this year. Why because i stuck to my plan to train up a good core of players. Bought players at below the odds and waited until i was good enough to promote and didn't have to buy super expensive monsters to do it that would hurt me in the long run.

As i said to Dire i lost the II.3 GF twice and lost in the semis once before i finally got the job done and promoted. Since then i have finished 5th, 5th, 4th and 2nd in my half. No doubt i got lucky with a couple of bots on my side but i still think my team has always been good enough to stay up and if the current offseason rules for 5th were in place in my first 2 years in the ABBl i'd be about 1.5mil better off as well!

I say this to all the new guys that start playing this game. Get yourself a training plan and stick to it. If you do your team and financial situation will progress along the same path as your trainees if you are smart with it and as that happens you will progress through the divisions.

I agree but with the sole point of actually "being able to compete" in the new level. Iwen and myself was able to challenge and beat low tier ABBL teams when we were in D2 so the transition and competitive level isn't as great for us as it was for HA and Adams Guns.

It was pretty clear when HA promoted here that they were a way behind in level and was relying heavily on a 300k C to win matches. In his case, for the sake of a long term view, it would have been smarter to tank and come back in another 2 seasons. He would have got a lot more cash which would help him win the next season back in D2 quite easily and would have had his arena built completely.

Trying to compete when your squad isn't really there only means you will lose a lot of games and still pay a lot in salaries. And being the ABBL, you can't save money quick enough to roll out your next star as you could do in D3 and D4 while paying "competitive" salaries at the same time.

Best advice is that if you have what it takes to compete at that level then tanking shouldn't even come into play. But If your team is no where near that level, tanking is your best bet