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111087.23 in reply to 111087.21
Date: 9/15/2009 12:44:06 PM
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Ok, where are we going to discuss the team selection etc for the U21 team?? We have 2 options, the federation I created or the Buzzerbeater stats forums. Not sure if they are for english users only though, it looks to me like it is a normal forum and accesable to everyone. Does anyone know how it works?


In bb-stats, there will be a admin, who usually is the NT coach, and every tyme someones sign up in the forum, the admin can choose to give him permissions in that forum or not. So the ones who can enter there are the ones the admin wants to. I will follow this country, but not through BB-stats, since it's not ethic to have permissions in two different country forums. So I will only follow you throgh here

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111087.24 in reply to 111087.23
Date: 9/15/2009 1:01:36 PM
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Elboss, do you want to be the admin on the BBstats forum or shall I do that job?

Vasco, feel free to join us on both forums if you want. I dont have a problem for you to join. The chance is very small Portugal and England will meet this or the next round.

ps Elboss has shared with me the players we have available to us, and I have to be honest, it is alot worse than I expected... Especially the fact that most players are trained in a similar fashion... It leaves for very little tactical room. We should win 2 games, and I will try to win 4. That is the maximum I think anyone would be able to achieve with these group off players...

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111087.25 in reply to 111087.24
Date: 9/15/2009 1:11:31 PM
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No. I had already thought of this before the elections. I had decided that I would only be in one of the forums. If my list had won the elections, I would ask the portuguese NT coach to take out my permissions and I would only use english BB-stats forum. As I lost, I will only use the portuguese one. But fell free to ask for any tips you need or for help in something. You only need to send me a BB-mail and I will answer as soon as I can ;)

As for the players, it will be difficult to manage a team so homogeneous as you say, so I reccomend something: I don't know if this is the right thing to do, and if I'm wrong please correct me. A good thing is to select more SG's and PF's than usual, so that, if you need to, you can allways adapt them to SF. That way, you will have advantage at that position, without losing that advantage on the others.


But I just have a question: What about that idea of selecting 18 year old players? Are you still thinking of that?

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111087.26 in reply to 111087.25
Date: 9/15/2009 1:27:25 PM
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yup. i am still thinking about doing that. Not so much 18 year olds but mostly 19 year olds. I would do this in the second season, not in the first one. I havent looked at all players yet, but I think there are quite a few players that are 19 and that are better than 20 year old players, or they will be alot better at 20 than the 20 year old one is now. I have had a look at the drafts for the EBBL for season 6.7.8. And like 10 players from the 144 players drafted are being trained... And when I say ten that is alot... :( Like you said yourself. A 19 year old player that is being trained is more valuable than a 20 year old player... Why not give the 19 year old player the experience for playing so we can use him when he is 20 or 21 than use a 20 year old player that isnt be trained and will be useless once he is 21???

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111087.27 in reply to 111087.24
Date: 9/15/2009 1:28:28 PM
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ps Elboss has shared with me the players we have available to us, and I have to be honest, it is alot worse than I expected... Especially the fact that most players are trained in a similar fashion... It leaves for very little tactical room. We should win 2 games, and I will try to win 4. That is the maximum I think anyone would be able to achieve with these group off players...


Don't be a pessimist :) Chances are the coaches of the other teams are having the same cold shower as we speak. We have quite a few 21yo with reasonable skills, we have to see what the roster of the other teams looks like. I could scout them, but it's easier to wait and see who they recruit...


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111087.28 in reply to 111087.26
Date: 9/15/2009 1:31:09 PM
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Regarding the forum, I'm happy for you to manage that...

yup. i am still thinking about doing that. Not so much 18 year olds but mostly 19 year olds. I would do this in the second season, not in the first one. I havent looked at all players yet, but I think there are quite a few players that are 19 and that are better than 20 year old players, or they will be alot better at 20 than the 20 year old one is now. I have had a look at the drafts for the EBBL for season 6.7.8. And like 10 players from the 144 players drafted are being trained... And when I say ten that is alot... :( Like you said yourself. A 19 year old player that is being trained is more valuable than a 20 year old player... Why not give the 19 year old player the experience for playing so we can use him when he is 20 or 21 than use a 20 year old player that isnt be trained and will be useless once he is 21???


Consider that your U21 will be NT player in one season (or well on the way to get there). Experience is negligible at best, useless is more like it.

I think it pays nothing to get young people in U21 unless they are the best in their category. I'd just follow their development and get the best players I have in my roster...

My 2 cents...

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111087.29 in reply to 111087.27
Date: 9/15/2009 1:33:05 PM
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yes wait until they recruit and than we will discuss this. I am not pessimistic, I think we have a great bright future ahead. I have had a close watch off drafted players and who bought them this season and quite a few good english coaches has picked up their share off good players. The debate we had on the forums were therefore partly very usefull. We only need 10 players or so to be picked up and trained every season to become very competitive. I will post all the draftees or future U21 players that come up for sale continuesly on the "england player for sale" forums and will contact the coaches off players with the best picks. I will scout every single one off them now I can...

I have picked up 2 great england player and 1 that could perhaps make it to the U21 coach if I get lucky with pops. The short time future I dont see so positively, the long term future, with a little bit off effort could be awesome...

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111087.30 in reply to 111087.28
Date: 9/15/2009 1:36:11 PM
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that is something I am more than happy to discuss, but I have had a look at the NT too. These players are so much better than the U21 team and from the list you have given me, I doubt more than 5 will get into the NT within the next few seasons and if they do, they wont be much better than what you have now... So why not groom some players that might come 1 or 2 seasons later in the NT but that are better than the current NT players??

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111087.31 in reply to 111087.29
Date: 9/15/2009 1:39:40 PM
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As for the "10 players is enough", I think you're wrong. I know that it's difficult but you would need at least20 players. Because with 10, you will be too much predictable, and you'll have even less space for tactical changes.


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111087.32 in reply to 111087.30
Date: 9/15/2009 1:41:23 PM
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that is something I am more than happy to discuss, but I have had a look at the NT too. These players are so much better than the U21 team and from the list you have given me, I doubt more than 5 will get into the NT within the next few seasons and if they do, they wont be much better than what you have now... So why not groom some players that might come 1 or 2 seasons later in the NT but that are better than the current NT players??


Consider that 21yo train way faster than the current NT players. As an example John Costabile (5864968) in one season got to the top 10 player list of England (he used to be in the top 40) (same happened to Christopher MacBurie (5150521))

If well trained 21yo will get into the NT by 24 at lastest, 22 more likely...

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111087.33 in reply to 111087.31
Date: 9/15/2009 1:43:54 PM
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yes, i didnt say 10 in total, 10 every season. means 20 players in 2 seasons time that are 20 and 21. and than every season get 10 more that would be a start. Off course you want to have plenty off players to pick from, but that is never going to happen. I talked to one or 2 other smaller basketball countries and even noticed in the USA U21 debate the BB developer charles said that the USA is behind china, italy or germany for example when it comes to enthusiasm on the forums and for support to their national teams. we have to start somewhere. and 10 would do me for now. Now I have only 7 or 8...

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