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I'm not saying he couldn't have gotten better value for 1.3 million, all I'm saying is that I don't think 1.3 million is very overpriced for a player like that. As for what you can get for 1.3 million, I recently bought this player for 1.3 million and I think he is better than the guy with 16 rebounding:

Weekly salary: $ 26 776

DMI: 116000
Age: 22
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: atrocious
Driving: atrocious Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: inept Free Throw: strong

Experience: pitiful

I agree 9 ID isn't great defence, but he is only in div 4 so he probably doesn't need more than 10 anyway.
I think training will be a bit slower, but mainly due to his height, I don't think 22 years old trains too slowly.

hmm...how much do you think he would sell for if not for 2 million?
The player has decent guard skills (not great but not horrible).
And the player would have 16 Rebounding, 10 IS and 11 ID.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid 2 million for him.

Well if you got your player for 1.3 mill then won't u agree that the guy he bought was overpriced at 1.3 mill since your guy I'd say is significantly better than his?

9 ID is allright for D4 but I wouldn't say its great and that he would expect to stop majority of his opponent's shots so he would grab the rebounds. Rebounding is only one factor. If the shot goes in, theres no rebound for you to grab to begin with. He also doesn't function well on the offensive end. He grabs a off rebound and chances are he can't tip it in due to only average IS.

22 is already in the later part of a player's training age. 18-20 trains the fastest. 22 slows down significantly compared to 18/19 but still trainable. But as mentioned the height will make training that much more longer. Getting him to 10 IS and 11 ID you are looking at least a season of 1 pos training just on this guy.

Trying to sell him for 2 mill is a bit like phising. I'm not saying he won't sell. Maybe if you list him long enough you might manage to entice a n00b into making a bid after being drawn to his salary and that 1 extremely high skill. But like I said, I have better more rounded guys and they won't go for 2 mill.

His player might be a little overpriced, but probably not by much. How much do you think his player is worth then? 800k? 1 mil?

How good his center is depends on what tactics he plays. If he plays outside offense tactics then he can ignore the inside shot and just train up his inside defence on 1 position training for a season and he will have a pretty good player.

I agree 22 is a little slower than 18/19 but if the height is right I think many players would still train at 22. I plan on training up the center that I listed for another pop or 2.

If he had 16 in rebounding, left inside shot as it is, and got his inside defence up to sensational or tremendous (which is 3 or 4 pops and probably would be done by all star break next season) then he would probably sell for 2 mill or you still don't think he would be worth 2 mil?

I'm in Div IV and have a PF with 13 REB and it's incredible how many offensive rebounds he gets. Some games he has more offensive rebounds by himself than the other team. That has been a huge advantage for me in my league games. I just played the other top two teams in the other conference and beat them both I feel because of my superior rebounding edge.

I agree that ID is critically important in the upper divisions but in div IV (at least in my league with some pretty good teams) the edge in rebounding pays off more than the ID, which is a 7 now but I'm currently training up with some other PFs and Cs.

I agree that 16 REB is a bit much but with that he'll get himself an additional 5-6 offensive shots a game (plus reduce the number of OR the other team could get). That and the better management of enthusiasm should help win some games.

Yeah I think 800k- 1 mill max is a more suited price range for his set of skills

Your part on tactics is true but still one position training a 22 year old 6'6 player in inside skills still take a long time. You are also right in sayin it depend on the right height. I would train a 22 year old if he is above 6'10 but 6'6 is too short.

At 16 REB, 12 ID, 6 IS, I would say is significantly lower in value compared to 11 RB, 11 IS, 11ID due to the fact that RB trains significantly faster than IS/ID. With the 11RB, 11IS, 11 ID guy going for probably around 2 mill, that guy will probably be around 1.6 mill or so. Not to mention he will be also 23 by then.

Yeah 6'6 is a bit short, I'm surprised someone even bothered to train rebounding for that long for someone of that height. Unless of course it was a free agent and the player just got left on rebounding training lol.

Yeah I would prefer an 11/11/11 player every day of the week, unless my team was specifically an outside shooting team in which case I think the 16 reb/12 ID is a far better player.

Yeah he will be 23, but someone will see "superstar" potential and go crazy trying to outbid everyone else :P

The player is certainly "worth" 1.3 million in the same way a rolex is "worth" 5k. As in, that is the going rate for the player/watch. He could train him or sell him right back and quickly recover his spent money. However,everyone is arguing that the player is not actually bringing 1.3 million worth of benefit to his team and I would agree with that.

Rebounding, like most skills in this game, are by comparison against the player they are up against. In Div. IV, it is rare to see a prolific rebounder even. That means diminishing returns for every pop beyond that point, unless you plan on selling the player or using him at a higher level (which are both valid options in this scenario). Those extra pops, for which you are paying dearly for, would much better be spent on IS or ID. My 18 year old PF would outplay this player.

I also think a few people (or possibly me) in this thread have a misconception about rebounding. It is my understanding that the rebound comes down to a matchup - a randomly chosen offensive player vs. counterpart. This player will certainly win almost all of the rebounding battles, but so would a prolific rebounder. Just because he is a Prodigious rebounder doesn't mean he gets more opportunities to rebound, just that he will win more of said opportunities. As an example:

30 opportunities for PF rebounds in a particular game:

Prodigious (25) vs. Strong (5)
Prolific (23) vs. Strong (7)

These are made up numbers, of course, used to paint a picture of the concept I am trying to describe.

I understand you are just painting a picture with your example, but I honestly believe that there is a slightly bigger difference between having 11 rebounding and having 16 rebounding even if you are only comparing them to someone who has 9 rebounding (which I'm sure many div 4 teams have).

I think that now that he has the 16 rebounding player, he will certainly dominate the boards, and will give him more flexibility to play tactics such as a 1-3-1 zone and still maintain a strong rebounding rating.

Nothing wrong with that pickup. He's well-rounded, young, and has the necessary respectable JS to be effective offensively. He'll also score a lot because of his ridiculous rebounding stat. I'm biased because I had a rebounder in IV who was the star of my team and MVP of the league(only 12 to his 16) and he'd get like 3 or 4 putbacks a game and averaged 4.4 OR per game. A player like that in IV can pull 10 OR any given day.