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nothing against foreigners

Are you implying this forum is actually US soil?

No one here follows the NBL so your argument is irrelevant.

The US is the country with most popular sports.

Bias.

This whole thread is bias towards North Americans.

Sorry, I have better things to do than research Bulgarian sports, or for that matter, any other country's sports.
By saying "nothing against foreigners" how am I implying that this forum is US soil? Where's the logical connection in that?

The NBL was not part of my argument until you forced it in. You are Australian, and you complained I was only considering US basketball. Well, the NBL is Australian basketball, and it became part of the argument once you complained. Otherwise, I wouldnt have mentioned it. And my argument is definitely not based on the NBL, so that would not make my argument irrelevant.
Bias towards North Americans? As I said before, Im a foreigner too...
Buy anyway, I use US examples --> you complain bias. I use olympic/worldwide examples --> you ignore them. I use Australian examples --> you say nobody cares about Australian basketball.--> And you tell me to research Bulgarian sports. Do you really think Bulgarian sports are that much more popular than Australian sports?

I'm sorry that US is the most popular for sports. There is nothing I can do about that - that's just the way it is - people in the US like sports. That being said, many examples are from the US, and this whole argument was based on the "most" or majority. There is nothing I can do to change the majority. Researching Bulgarian sports would not be significant here. II tried Australian - you didnt appreciate it.
So what examples would you use? (Have you done any research yourself?)

Folks, there's no use to point fingers here. Let's just stick to the topic.

Thank you.

I'm sorry that US is the most popular for sports.

only in th point of view of a american ;) On a worldwide view, you would have more cricket visitors then baseball, and the majority of dudes are looking and playing football.

The thing with head to head, is that you can not make the same comparision for all "comparision" wihich would make it hard here(especially because the majority of users don't know the rules of the "most popolar sports") and u had to handle things betwen the conferences different. The end game logic isn*'t fit for a head to head comparision too.

Also i like the point differential because it is easy, and over a bunch of matches also fair because you don't need extra calculator for researching all pssible head to head groups.

I think baseing tiebreaker on 2 games is worse than basing it on the whole season. With different effort possibilitys we might get 2 crunches with 2 losses because of those crunches dipping the scoring scale for the H2H tiebreaker losing team. Also national cup creates a situation where you just have to field your second lineup with towelboys being the bench players. We already have to cope with playing leagues other side top 4 teams away, when your closest rival has those games at home. Additionally basing your playoff tie-breaker on that one match just does not seem right.
Some things in real life are just not the best solutions for this game. I would not want 82 game season that lasts a calendar year. The tiebreaker is not points scored, it's +/- points. Are you saying that good defence teams can not get a good +/- stat?

Last edited by Kukoc at 12/15/2010 5:23:34 PM

The tiebreaker is not points scored, it's +/- points. Are you saying that good defence teams can not get a good +/- stat?

No, I am aware that the tiebreaker is +/- (points differential) and I have no problem with that. What the original poster asked was what the tiebreaker after +/- is, which is total points.
I understand good defensive teams can get a good +/-. But they are at a huge disadvantage for total points if they're defensive focused. (Also keep in mind that the tactics - slower pace v.s. faster pace - using slower tactics doesnt mean a team is worse than a faster paced team. Just like focusing on defense doesnt mean a teams is worse than a team focused on offense.)

I understand the national cup problem, but the H2H is at least reasonable and justifiable, if not fair (national cup creates other sacrifices too). A one-game playoff is in a neutral arena is justifiable too. So is using the 2 tied teams' records in the last half of the season (I understand the teams played are different). However, there is no justifiable argument for the total points rule - it is not reasonable at all, because it says nothing about which team is better (basketball is not a shooting competition; there is defense involved). It is not in basketball tradition either, so there is no reason to feel ashamed of not using it. The total points tiebreaking rule is just an unfortunate and illogical rule implemented in the system.

Last edited by j9s3 at 12/15/2010 5:46:17 PM

Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.

Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.

Almost never, and Extremely unlikely :)

But I didnt bring the subject up. Just responding to the OP's question about tiebreakers after PD.

Exactly...it is extremely unlikely for this to happen.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?



H2H can present its own set of issues which I won't get into. PD is the most logical choice for simplicity's sake for a gaming environment. Not everything has to emulate real life.

when does the league playoffs start?

Last edited by GEMEDI at 12/15/2010 10:48:04 PM