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189480.23 in reply to 189480.22
Date: 7/12/2011 10:09:11 PM
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Wow thanks everyone for the quick response!

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189480.24 in reply to 189480.22
Date: 7/12/2011 10:11:16 PM
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Inside D trains at the same speed as Inside Shot.

As far as OD goes. It trains far from slow. I don't get why people always try to say that. I trained a dude from average to tremendous in two seasons. The same about it would take to train from in JS.

Plus the rule of the elastic effect is definitely challenges the old dogma and many are theorizing that you should train offense first...which I am doing right now on my forward prospects....especially considering there is a LOT more skills to train other than the defensive ones on a forward.

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189480.25 in reply to 189480.24
Date: 7/12/2011 11:48:18 PM
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I'd like to add that any question on defense can be answered by looking at a Heathens box score.
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Heathens really didn't have any single offensive threats on their team but they didn't need it since there guards had 18+ OD, with bigs and guards both having very high rebounding. By all means the ratings suggest they should have lost that game since LMA's IS rating easily trumps Heathens ID. However their high OD ratings not only stopped outside shots, it also stopped LMA's guards from being able to pass the ball into the lane. The rebounding made it so that Heathens didn't have to have elite level scoring since they will grab so many more rebounds that they are bound to score of the vast number of chances. Heathens never shot a very high percentage in any of their season.

So if there is anything to learn from Heathens it is that defense and rebounding are king in this game.

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189480.26 in reply to 189480.25
Date: 7/13/2011 12:10:29 AM
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They had had an incredible matchup advantage at the PG spot, of course they won the game.

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189480.27 in reply to 189480.26
Date: 7/13/2011 12:47:02 PM
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I have starters below 10 OD, and I haven't found horrible OD ratings...that said, either get some 9-10 OD guards or 3-2 zone.

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189480.28 in reply to 189480.18
Date: 7/13/2011 12:53:17 PM
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And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.


Why does it matter? You can flip-flop PG/SG for defense if need be......


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 7/13/2011 12:54:54 PM

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189480.29 in reply to 189480.28
Date: 7/13/2011 1:35:40 PM
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And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.


Why does it matter? You can flip-flop PG/SG for defense if need be......


Agreed. That's what I do.

I always think the ratings everyone advocates are funny. If I had all of the defense, passing, rebounding, whatever they are saying you need to be tremendous in, well, if I had that I wouldn't be playing in D4.

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189480.30 in reply to 189480.28
Date: 7/13/2011 4:01:20 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.

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189480.31 in reply to 189480.30
Date: 7/13/2011 4:14:15 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.


A "respectable" outside defense guard CAN defend on the perimeter in D4, which was the original question of the poster. If he's supported by other guards by higher skills and positioned well in the defense, you'll do fine in D4. You might even have your league's top defense, like I do. In this case, the guy's my top scorer, so I cut him a little slack. (6820817)

As I said before, you can't have all the skills you want in your early seasons.

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189480.32 in reply to 189480.31
Date: 7/13/2011 4:20:39 PM
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Respectable outside defense can guard point guards in D4.


That said, it is far from ideal. If the dude was a point guard, it'd be a reasonable concession, considering point guards are very expensive.

But for a mono-skilled jump shooter who can't pass or rebound. It's absurd.

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189480.33 in reply to 189480.31
Date: 7/13/2011 5:43:31 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.


A "respectable" outside defense guard CAN defend on the perimeter in D4, which was the original question of the poster. If he's supported by other guards by higher skills and positioned well in the defense, you'll do fine in D4. You might even have your league's top defense, like I do. In this case, the guy's my top scorer, so I cut him a little slack. (6820817)

As I said before, you can't have all the skills you want in your early seasons.


I think this depends on the league...Last season I won my DIV league with 15 and 13 OD. And it took every bit of that great defense to get it done. I played in a very tough DIV league at the time, and it wasn't the norm...but still, all it takes is one high scoring team with a balanced attack, and 7 OD won't be enough. Thats great that its enough for your league...but that definitely doesn't hold true for all DIV leagues.

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