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I dont know why all center trainers start complaining suddenly.

it is way easier to train centers, cause u only have to train 4 skills, compared to 6 skills for a guard. Thats one reason why so many decided to train centers.

probably salaries will be measured by the average of their skills, while more important skills weight more heavily then the others. Therefore a guard with respectable JS and inept rebounding will have a higher salary then a guard with inept JS and respectable rebounding.
Considering this a center will obviously have a higher salary since the only have 4 very important skills.

so if one thing have got to change it is not that guards should have higher salaries, it is that guards need to train faster. then theier salaries will be as high as the salaries of the centers.
e.g. outside shooting trains also 80% Js and vice versa.

Then I see a guard with 13 JS and 9 JR who only got about 15k salary now.

you are missing something in your theory. rebounding will weight close to 25% in the center formula while JS will only weight about 16% in the formula for guards.

I found a perfect example to prove my point: Albert Diefenbach (3071008), just posted in the transfer ad topic. JS: 10, HD: 10, DR: 11, and only 9,4k salary. A center with 10 IS, 10 ID and 11 RB would have 20k+ salary.

yes it is a perfect example but it does NOT prove your point.

the guards is having an average of 7.8 on his most relevant skills.

JS 10
JR 7
oD 5
HA 10
Dr 11
Pa 4

47/6=7.83

a center from your example will have something close to 10. this explains the difference in the salary

Last edited by Huzzel at 3/22/2008 8:56:52 AM

I agree with huzzel on his point, why I asked to be shown a guard with 4 equal skills compared to the centers 3 equal skills.

I don't think your calculations are fair, let use mine I hope you have the time to read it, because it's pretty long.

First I don't think a guard really uses 6 as important skills, but 3 main and 3 extra, JS, JR and DR (SG 1st, PG 2nd) vs PA,HA and OD (PG 1st, SG 2nd)

But lets quit the skills part, the most important thing is how much a player contributes to the team performance right?
So lets talk about ratings from now on, instead of individual skills.

I will use our national team, Nederland, as the example.

We got 3 centers above 20k salary, the best guards got around 11k salary. We got 1 SF with 15k salary, and another C with 15k salary.

Then lets take a look at our match ratings;
Offense first, we played a lot of Push the Ball, which is a normal focus, so that should give a clear view about wether you are better inside or outside.
I checked the official games where we playing PtB this season;
In every game but one (the other one the offense is the same outside and inside) we had a better outside shooting than inside shooting (1 sublevel), remember salary's weren't even close.
So you pay double the salary to get 1 sublevel lower offense.

Ok now we will check our defense ratings, which is harder to compare of course since we have rebounding, and ID and PD. Lets skip rebounding for now (just like we do with the offensive flow), and look only at ID and PD.

We played vs inside teams the most, so mainly 2-3 zone, which is not usable when you want to compare PD vs ID but we did play a few man-to-man games.
The first man-to-man game ID was 1 sublevel higher than PD. The 2nd man-to-man game (after the guards improved some of their OD of course) the PD was 1 full level higher than the ID.

Now I can tell you our Centers' ID is way higher than the OD of our guards. But still we got a huge difference in the PD vs ID, while again the Centers got double as much salary as the guards.

Ok the rebounding is hard to compare just like the OF, but since the SG/PG and SF contributes the most to the OF and the C/PF and SF the most to rebounding we maybe could even those out.

Ok so now a summary. What we see is this:

It's easier to boost your outside ratings, as guards need lower stats to achieve the same ratings. Centers got way higher salary, since they need higher stats to achieve the same ratings.

So a with a few guards around 10k salary you get the same outside ratings as the inside ratings of a few centers around 20k salary.

The question is now what should change? It's clearly that guards are more powerfull, since they don't need a high salary to get high ratings.

Imo there something is not fair/right here, I hope you had the time to read this all, but I think or the difference of salary between guards and centers should be reduced, or the difference of skills needed to achieve the same ratings should be reduced.

Cheers and sorry for the long post
PatjeBono

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/22/2008 9:19:58 AM

probably salaries will be measured by the average of their skills, while more important skills weight more heavily then the others. Therefore a guard with respectable JS and inept rebounding will have a higher salary then a guard with inept JS and respectable rebounding.

no because "guard" and "center" are just the suggested roles
unless they give different values to the skills based on height

the real answer is in the first part of you post

I dont know why all center trainers start complaining suddenly.

it is way easier to train centers, cause u only have to train 4 skills, compared to 6 skills for a guard. Thats one reason why so many decided to train centers.

Last edited by mark_lenders at 3/22/2008 9:25:37 AM

no because "guard" and "center" are just the suggested roles
unless they give different values to the skills based on height

actually my theorie is: players suggested position is always the position where they would earn most. its just a theory but it would work this way.

actually my theorie is: players suggested position is always the position where they would earn most. its just a theory but it would work this way.

that makes sense

but that's different than what you said before

first I have read the complete post ;-)

But lets quit the skills part, the most important thing is how much a player contributes to the team performance right?

TRUE!!! Look on your example on the transfer list. he is having an average rating of 7.5. a center with 2 prominents and 1 prolific would receive ratings about 10

I cannot say much about the netherlands nationalteam, because i dont see their skills AND we do not really know how much the positions influence which rating, using a certain tactic. maybe PFs influence the outs Def rating more than we expect at the moment. So talking about the netherlands NT would be a lot speculations for all of us. Only the coach of them could say a little about it.

BUT look at the game engine changes. BB had to make the outside focus better, cause teams with an inside focus had an advantage. That alone makes me think inside players were more contributing to the team than outside players.