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I get what you're saying. In real life you NEVER shorten "Le" or "Du" or "Van" in a surname.

But in a first name, you never shorten only the first word like "J. Baptiste" either.

Van can be shorten to v. but De or Le or Ben Abdel or bin or Guo can't.

They're the same. "Van" means "Du" like in "Du Chateau" and I believe Ben or Bin mean "the son of". All these common prefixes should follow the same rule.

At the end of the day, my main concern is being able to see the surname fully when possible. If it was "J. Sebastien Bach" it wouldn't be as bad. Unfortunately because "Sebastien" is such a long word, there isn't enough room for "Bach" and it becomes "J. Sebastien B..." in the game viewer. THAT's my main issue.

Both systems have problems. My opinion is the new one is better, but I respect yours ;)

Everyone respects other opinions here, this is the least expected in a civil discussion. Was there any doubt about it at some point ? :)

I know what van means. It's a different case, you can shorten to v. in dutch, search Robin v. Persie. It's a correct spelling of the name. It's different from De, Ben etc...
The perfect solution should know all these subtleties. It's difficult because BB deals with names from all around the world.

Aside from opinions, I still don't understand why you factually think it's better. You want to see the surname fully when possible ? My C. Ben Abdel Aziz has become C. B.A. Aziz, you see less of the name. That's what I am trying to say, I understand what bothers you but the chosen solution corrects it in some cases and creates it in others. Only now, on top of it, it cuts full names.

For the record, I have two first names and two last names, one of my last names is composed so that makes 5 words. I don't fit in the viewer :'(
I think the jury can take me as an expert on the matter :p

Didn't know about the Van thing. I'm just a french guy living in Brussels and I don't speak any flemish/dutch, unfortunately. But I mean, it's quite natural and self-evident to shorten common prefixes, so for De and Du, "D." would still make a lot of sense (even it it's still two characters and there isn't much gain of space). For a name like "Kosciusko Morizet", though, it's a lot less natural. However it's still very practical because "K. Morizet" immediately registers as "Kosciusko Morizet" in my brain if I previously knew the name. On the other hand, "Kosc..." might require quite a bit more time for me to realize who we're talking about.

But since you're the expert..

PS to developers: Don't be afraid to revert back to the original system if you feel that it's the way to go. I'm sure most people haven't noticed the change yet anyway.

Reverting is easy, I just want to see what you guys agree upon in the end.

So, no one likes my poll idea?

I do !

So, no one likes my poll idea?

I do !

Me too!

So, no one likes my poll idea?

I do !

Me too!

me too!

Nice
I'll make one then