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There is a problem with micronations in that often there are only a handful of votes so as said you could easily have a new player, just trying the game for a few weeks, votes for himself for the NT coach, wins with the only vote and three weeks later quits the game.

Two suggestions that could help this:

1 Allow people from outside the nation to see who is currently registered in the election. Seems obvious that you should know who you are running against. In what election do you not know the opponents? Then people that are looking for a nation to coach can discover ones that have few, no or no competent candidates rather than wasting their chances in nations where there are several local candidates that didn't bother posting a speech.

2 Change the rules to allow midterm elections when there is no coach. The normal procedure of going to the second candidate is fine. But when there aren't any more then there should be an automatic trigger for a new election.

After all, if you didn't vote during the elections, why would you cry afterwards if the elected guy isn't reliable.

Well I am training guys for the Aussie teams so I don't care (and we have encouraged a couple of people to be "backups" to avoid this situation) but imagine you had just spent four seasons training a brilliant player for the Polish NT only for the coach to go bot and there to be no replacement. It isn't just the players in the country affected but those managers that spent a long time grooming players for the team. They don't get a vote.

I think the owners of NT players and the previous coach (if it was a foreigner) should have the right to vote NT coaches.

Voting should be disabled for people running in a domestic election.

Especially in micro countries this could lead to even less domestic NT coaches, in bigger countries this would make a small difference I guess.

Maybe its not possible to make that happen, because of various reasons (cheating mainly), but a NT witthout a coach is a bad thing that should get fixed really quick.

Last edited by hupfingatsch ihm sein Knecht at 2/12/2012 6:19:45 AM

1) As you can see, I've already suggested both points you've brought, so I support them...

2) Another thing is not to allow self voting.
Who will not vote for himself?
There is a limitation that I do not find relevant - you can register to be next NT coach, but could not vote to yourself in case you are registering to a BB-nation that is not yours.

I understand that they want to eliminate a case that one big BB-nation will take "in costady" another BB-nation (bunch of users uniting and voting for a user from their home BB-nation at the other BB-nation (in case allowing all users who are registered to cast a vote at that BB-nation).

But, by elimination any voting of the users registered to be the next coach of that BB-nation (or more precisely defining that they are, by definition, voting to themselves), this problem is eliminated.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 2/12/2012 4:17:21 PM

I still fail to see your point.

Who will not feed himself? So you shall not be able to feed yourself if you´re buying the food.
Who will not wash himself? So you shall not be able to wash yourself if you´re trying to take a shower.
Who will not talk to himself? So you shall not be able to talk to yourself if you´re interested in conversation.

Your way of concluding things is strange.

If you dont think you´re the right guy for a position, you should not try to get it. If you think you are the right person for the job, it´s perfectly logic to vote for yourself.

I didn't thought that you will understand, but in this case, I'll try again...

The suggestion - A user who set himself to a position cannot vote. His vote is automatically set to himself.

On current system, a foreign candidate cannot vote to anyone.
On current system, a local candidate can vote to someone else... which is not logical whatsoever. If you don't like to vote to yourself, then remove yourself from the candidates list.

Isnt that the very opposite of what you said?

You said, nobody should be allowed to vote for himself.

This paragraphs I've written, and now quoting below, explained it all;

2) Another thing is not to allow self voting.
Who will not vote for himself?
There is a limitation that I do not find relevant - you can register to be next NT coach, but could not vote to yourself in case you are registering to a BB-nation that is not yours.

I understand that they want to eliminate a case that one big BB-nation will take "in costady" another BB-nation (bunch of users uniting and voting for a user from their home BB-nation at the other BB-nation (in case allowing all users who are registered to cast a vote at that BB-nation).

But, by elimination any voting of the users registered to be the next coach of that BB-nation (or more precisely defining that they are, by definition, voting to themselves), this problem is eliminated.

Again -
1) I think that a foreign BB-user should be allowed to vote in a campaign he is part of (as a candidate).
2) No reason to allow free-voting for candidates, in order of eliminating the option of "conquering" a smaller NT BB-nation by a bigger one.
3) There is a problem with micro-nation that will have no vote, in case there is only candidates, and no voters.
For that, it should be automatically defined as... auto-vote yourself in case you are a candidate.

A NT is a national team. If a country opts for hiring a foreign coach, great. But no person outside that country should be able to vote "just because". Great that you recognize the part about big nations "overrunning" micronations when you open up voting in advance, but why you try to eliminate the "starting advantage" of a coach from a country to become NT over a foreign coach is beyond me.

Let me remind you that we´re NOT discussing the case that there is no NT coach at all at SA u21, just that the coach left for good.

Your proposal is not helping that case. You´re proposing and changing and twisting "just because", and far off the core of the problem.