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Sorry but I just don't buy it. I'm gonna go ever so slightly into economics here. But from what I gather you are saying (which is hard to do, but you gotta type a little more clearly), teams in higher divisions don't invest in the draft because it isn't worth it (i.e. the gamble, the time to train, the fact that player would be a liability etc.) and even if this were true, it is somehow wrong?

If no one in top divisions invested in the draft, then the one person who did just had their chances to get a good trainee increased significantly since they are the only ones who spent money on scouting. Let's say 20k per week, that's about ~250k per season. Not too bad if you are the only one who invests in scouting, even better if you are a high draft pick.

All top teams probably want at least one trainee, because it will help them sustain the team, and they can mould them to their needs; then add in the fact that a lot of good trainees go to waste since not a lot of people train their trainees well, and those who do generally don't want to give them up because you need good players to win so you can get to the top.

So where will the teams who need trainees get them? The player market (aka the TL). Where prices are determined by how much in demand a player is. These great trainees you talk about buying can go northward of 500k (about double the amount for 20k a week scouting). Players who are trained really well would go for over a million. So it balances out as best as possible in the end.

Now would I invest in the draft in a season where I know I'm top 3 and I have 2 trainees on my hand already? No because that's a waste of money.

Would I invest in the draft if I was bottom 3 (my personal cut off is one of the bottom 6 in the league) and was looking for trainees? Yes I would.

Whenever I've invested in the draft, I've come out with good players. In fact, one of my main trainees Lars Intek (28479379) was from my draft. If you'd like to see his skills they are right here:

http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/gr2z7s4cjn02jx6w4vq1e8vb2l...

Through good training I've gotten him as he is so far, and I'm sure he could probably sell for one million at the very least (don't quote me since I don't study the TL too much, just a rough estimate)

So was my post too long and you didn't read?
Investing in the draft is worth it if you do it smartly. (i.e. don't use points when you're top of the league). Tanking is another way to earn money, but how fun is it to lose all your games? Also if top teams can't stay afloat in the top leagues then they are obviously doing something wrong and as a result they get relegated. A new team promotes and they are given a chance to see if they are doing it right, if they are doing it better than the others then they won't get relegated or go bankrupt

Last edited by jeffjeff at 7/18/2013 10:00:09 PM

I understand your point and read the post. I think in top leagues you need player thats going help you win games. A draft trainee can do that, if skill are all 7 to start which is rare. while the opp's player are all 13 and higher, its a lost effort playing them. In the top league it all about balance.

Yes true, they know how to speed train which can be very effective for the manager to get those draftee about to leagues skills are in few seasons. then they can make a cool million selling . But I think thats is rare to get player to make a million from in the top leagues from the draft with the right skill or potent... So if you have 3 draftee and they're all good and sell for 3 million, all of them( 1 million each)

The league players salary in top is 80K about a week if not more, for 1 player that well over 1.2million a season.. I think the season is 14 weeks. Some players are 2- 3 million a season, so pulling the sell money in, that is only going to break even on 1-2 player for the season salary, which leaves at least 8 players salary to pay.

So in small you might can come back with 450-800k a season in top leagues, So in 3 years time with these players all you did was break even with them and didn't win .

You can buy players that get better result than a draftee. Selling players is hard work, training them to the market is hard as well. So in small its not really worth the effort in my opinion to much going on. Because the talent you get will not be effective enough to make millions for the season unless your guru speed trainer and manager. I am not btw

Not dis agreeing with your points. I agree with a lot of them but at same time, I think its a waste of time and effort when you can get something that can help win with the 250-300 K$ thats 10x better in skills for league play. Winning is best revenue maker not some draftee in top league in my opinion

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/18/2013 11:28:34 PM

You realize that you include the salary of the player but you don't include the revenue that salary is used to generate right? Assuming the team is any good they should be getting comparable revenue from your arena, add in the tv contract and that should offset your team salary. If you are in negative income then you are doing something wrong. You don't depend on the draft to be your income, that's what your arena merchandise and tv contract are for. You depend on the draft to sustain your team, or if you already have trainees, use it as icing on the cake and make a couple extra bucks. If you are depending on the draft as your main source of income then you're definitely approaching BB with a unique view point

I don't think the draft is likely to be a consistent profit source, so I agree with you there for sure. It's pretty hard to set yourself up to select the best player every season, if not impossible.

On the other hand, it appears some owners do pretty well on the transfer market turning a profit. Like this team (32001), which has earned about $1.5M a season on average in transfers. It's the exception, not the rule, I think. I've managed to make about an average of 100K a season on transfers, but at least I'm in the green.

And I've never sold a draftee for more than about 400K, max. Hard when you're in the top half of the league to get anyone good enough to sell for huge $$.

Just wondering, if I spend 10 points on group demonstration, then interview the player. Would I know the height and age after interview the player? Or I must "scout/scouting combine" the player(s) to know their height and age, huh?

As perpete said a big chunk of that came from selling his draftee (500k+). It really depends what your skills are. If you are in the top half of your league then I'd assume you would make a push to the next league up (the point of this game). Once you are there you will probably spend a season in the bottom half. A convenient time to find a good draftee?

I didn't include out side revenue period . just the salary and sale. when you go into that, it may look good on paper but its the furthest from reality of league salary, because increases in worth is unknown. Yes you can see when a player going to pop, but how much salary are behind those pops. None know that. All we can do is assume for the stronger skill it increase but how much in salary will it.?

I don't depend on the draft for any income period.This game is made to start on it. for a good team, this game promotes it.. I'm saying it flawed it good but its not perfect nor is it fair. if you need 2 new trainees a year for fan $$ then you losing money when you sale them even for a better player.

So their no point to do the draft in top league the talent is not there, its waste of revenue, because the player cant help create game winning revenue and if you sell them, then that money is not that much either, other than help keep things afloat for a season.. But thats if you get the player.. which not the case the majority of the time.

But to each their own.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/19/2013 6:00:47 PM

Why would you not include outside revenue? What do you think the salaries of the player do are there for. You aren't paying your players so they can be sold. You are paying them to play game and win. By winning you get $$$$$ which is a result of you paying your players. So I see no reason to only include the money you get from the sale and not any money from games. Going by your logic training players are worthless because when you sell them, you sell them at a loss since their salary already ate up any profits you would have made. If you're going to see how profitable it is training players and only include a portion of the money they generate, then your analysis is basically useless.

In top league this is true for some teams.. they sell at a lost because the salary's are very high. Its not my analysis per say.this game style of play is actually true.

Draft is worthless in top leagues. I don't see how you can argue that. All they can do is sell them to stay afloat( break even).

The best way to survive in the nbba or top is to arrive with a lot of cash and a very good young team or mid aged team that has the skills. Because salary's are so high you have sell you roster to get other players later on. If they have mass cash on hand then they can be more comfortable, not have to work so hard. But the manager still needs to be smart with his money cant go chasing the jones of BB.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/19/2013 6:29:50 PM

Draft is not "worthless" in top leagues. As an example of how you can still draft well in top leagues, I refer you to Arizona Cacti (29518), who drafted an 18yo HOF with good skills with the 9th pick last season (28411387) and an 18yo SS this season with the 25th pick (29558979). I'll grant that this is certainly an exception, but clearly you're going too far to say that drafting in the top leagues is altogether worthless.

I'll also grant that most high-division teams do not spend much on scouting. But you completely misunderstand why this is the case. All of the managers in the league are good enough to appreciate the value of the draft and the players you can get through it, so the 2-3 managers with the worst records are investing heavily in the draft, and because they know how to scout properly (do scouting combine/scout 18yos etc.) then it's almost certain that they will find and draft the top 2-3 prospects in the draft. So if you know you're a contender in a top division who's likely to have a pick in the 12-16 range, you know that someone will pick the player you want before you. So to summarize, I find it really ironic that you insist the draft is worthless in the upper leagues, when the only reason why it might be "worthless" is because all of the managers value it so highly.

Last edited by Turtle at 7/19/2013 6:26:52 PM