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252113.23 in reply to 252113.21
Date: 1/13/2014 11:17:18 AM
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Well I'll be able to test that for myself soon ;)

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252113.24 in reply to 252113.22
Date: 1/13/2014 12:32:51 PM
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What are the minimum required inside skills for a U21 big man not to be crushed by his direct opponent? Or, in other words, how many extra outside skills do you need to have in order to compensate for lower inside skills?


there is no simple answer to that question. to know the answer about how much time is exactly won, it would require several managers starting with an identical trainee. half of them would have to train 1v1 and then OD, the other half would have to tackle the Od straight away. futhermore, no information is provided about the sublvls, making it very hard to get an accurate answer.

if u want to know exactly how fast someone trains with higher HA/DR than someone without, i don't think anyone can give you an accurate answer. all i know is that a PF with JS 15 JR 6 OD 9 HA 16 DR 17 PA 9 at age 26/27 is supposed to have a pop in OD once every 6 weeks ( 6 + some change that is). However, in reality, he popped once every 3 weeks for the first couple of lvls. So it certainly influences. the only catch is that the difference has to be big enough. One could make a case that if he trained that PF in Od earlier instead of 1v1, that the total time would have been the same to achieve the same lvls.

If -as you're advocating- you train 1.5 years of 1v1, then 1 year of OD, you have only half a year of inside training before the trainee turns 21 and, by that time, he should be already quite far behind in that respect (he might very well catch up later, but I would think that's irrelevant in a U21 perspective).


euhm, are you training a player for your own team (who happens to have a chance to get into the U21) or are you solely training for the U21. i always try to improve players for their own teams.

if the U21 first tells you to train IS/ID/RB/SB (turning him into a 120k monster). and then the NT asks, please train his guard skills. would you like to put a 120k big on a PG/SG position for his OD/PA/JR training? or would u prefer to do that first and then train your IS/ID/RB, keeping his salary lower over the entire training periode? personally, from a team perspective, i'd chose the second one. Also, what good is a player if he is being trained well, but is forced to sell since he can't handle the salary of the player anymore (or has to play the player to much to manage the salary in the team?) for an U21/NT he's worthless. those players need to be in good shape, hence need to limit the minutes.

Also, u might think that having a big with IS 14 ID 14 RB 14 SB 11 will always beat out a guy with IS 12 ID 12 RB 12 SB 10. however, if the second player has better guard skills, then he'll take more jumpshots. the guy with better primairies, has less good secundairies, hence can't defend a jumpshot properly. that means jumpshots will go in easier or that the 14/14/14/12 big is more likely to foul, meaning that he'll have to sit at some point for being in foul trouble. BB isn't just about skills. it is also about the player match-ups

Edit: I guess you were talking about your own trainee when you mentioned the 1.5 seasons of 1v1 and only giving advice to go as far as 1 season in that regard, however my points still stands: how well is such a player going to compete against big men with 45+ in inside skills?


as mentioned just above: depends on the total amount of skills. if both players have roughly the same total skills (inside and outside added togeter) then one player will have the edge outside, the other one will have an edge inside. how else can u explain that some 30k players can preform equally well against 60k players with the same enthusiasm and gameshape on both sides? it's because the 30k player has some skills in which he is better, that don't count towards to total salary. it's the total package that should be taken into consideration, not just the primairy skills




Last edited by AthrunZala at 1/13/2014 12:34:46 PM

From: Elmacca
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252113.25 in reply to 252113.24
Date: 1/13/2014 1:39:21 PM
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I'm another believer that high HA is important for training OD. Never bothered about driving, as far as I'm concerned it's the Handling that matters.

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252113.26 in reply to 252113.25
Date: 1/13/2014 3:45:53 PM
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Thanks gentlemen , all the advice is appreciated , i believe in the elastic effect also, made very good use of it and have trained guards all my years on here , even got one into the serbia u21 team. , i was thinking that the best time to train OD for the big man was in his 18th season because training is fastest then , i felt it wasnt worth sacrificing a large chunk of this possible training to gear up handling for the elastic effect. But now that a few well respected owners have said it im going to follow their advice.

From: Elmacca
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252113.27 in reply to 252113.26
Date: 1/20/2014 6:35:00 AM
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Due to lack of tournament income for the rest of the season, I've had to rejig my big men, acquiring NT centre Gregor Simpson and firing Dylan Kahlon and Stephen Norton, so they are both now listed as free agents at 1mil. I needed someone to buy Norton at 300k before the financial update to avoid firing them both, but it didn't happen, so tough as it they've gone and are now free agents on the transfer market, available for 1mil each.

Norton is a tough sell at 1mil, as the current NT coach doesn't want to play him (so only residual merchandising rates from last season) to help pay his 245k wages. He'll probably go bot, which is a shame for Risk 'n' Reward who trained him up. He's a world-class centre with a good AST-TO ratio despite his lack of handling. He's a rich man's buy though.

Dylan Kahlon. I love Kahlon, I actually bought him as a free agent for 1mil and have never regretted it. He's tremendous value at 106k wages and at 29 will give someone five great seasons of play as an aggressive defensive-minded centre who can also play minutes at PF. I'd hate to see him go bot but had to cut someone to avoid the 500k bankruptcy countdown trigger (my schedule has my home games backloaded in the schedule).

More about Dylan Kahlon - he's a shade off 16 in rebounding and nearer 12 than 11 in shot blocking. I would advise someone who likes English players to invest a million in him and get him off the free agent market, like I did, even though his TPE is half that (as it was when I did). He's very underrated and is capable of stopping star big men getting paid twice his salary and also has a useful habit of injuring the opposition!

Dropping them for Simpson gives me the merchandising revenue I need to be cash positive (especially when I fix his game shape) without tournament income and still field a competitive 7 man roster in B3. Toughest roster decision I've ever made.





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252113.28 in reply to 252113.27
Date: 1/20/2014 7:21:57 AM
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sorry but this is a load off poopoo

you are trying to give us an excuse as to why you "fired" two very good English players.

if it was to avoid immediate bankruptcy, fair enough, but you are saying it was to avoid the TWO WEEKS, first notice email

you do not need to give the English community a reason, you had plenty off time to re list these 2 players at 1$ and sell them this week. could still have fired them.

you did it for your own benefit and yours only, so why you are trying to explain these 2 sackings to the English community and get understanding from them, I have no clue. I am sure if you would have asked the English community for help one or both could have been saved...none off these 2 players are worth it to pay 1 million...

and do not get me wrong, you did what you had to do, and what you felt is best for your team. you even bought a new player on Saturday, so financially, it couldn't have been that bad, but there is really no need to apologize to the English community, or whatever the reason is you are informing us, about the two players you sacked, because you only did this because off self interest...

Last edited by Astragoth at 1/20/2014 7:27:31 AM

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252113.30 in reply to 252113.27
Date: 1/20/2014 9:17:03 AM
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Tough decisions have to be made. Ouch, bit of a big hit there for the community though; if i really need to sell a player because I need the salary space and not the cash I list them at 1k. Going for more always risks the cliff edge.

It looks like that move may have lost us an NT player in Norton, although to be fair, he's not the best player in the NT and desperately in need of some secondaries. If they didn't sell for 300k, they certainly won't go for a million and even at EBBL level to hold these salaries, these boys aren't worth 1 mil. That said, I personally don't have the cash nor the need for these two., I won't be able to step in here sorry.

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From: Elmacca
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252113.31 in reply to 252113.30
Date: 1/20/2014 11:24:07 AM
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First of all, I'm not apologising to anyone... just providing an explanation for those who are wondering what the hell I'm doing. I would like to see Kahlon bought, hence the highlighting of what an effective player he is for me, but I know it's unlikely.

When I set the price for Norton, I didn't think I had to sell before Sunday, so I set a 300k price to recoup the 250k I was planning on bidding up to for Simpson. I realised that afterwards that if he didn't sell that I'd miscalculated the wages hit and wouldn't get back above even in the next two weeks without having to sell players I wanted to keep. I hated cutting Kahlon Sunday night to keep me above -500k and avoid that two week countdown. As it is, it's only bought me three weeks to think about what to do next, as I have another week with no home game then.

I do not want to break up my core, but I may still have to sell one more player anyway if I lose a game and my gate receipts drop. At least at that point, I can list at a selling price and hope I can buy him back later

Some times, you just mess up. I really wasn't expecting to lose in the tournament and hadn't properly considered the financial consequences of doing so!

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252113.32 in reply to 252113.31
Date: 1/21/2014 4:35:47 PM
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Money money money :) I could do with some too! ;)

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252113.33 in reply to 252113.32
Date: 2/24/2014 5:48:11 PM
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Inside Defense: stupendous (low)

ok, that was fricking cool Tuck.

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