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261712.23 in reply to 261712.21
Date: 8/1/2014 10:44:58 AM
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Hey Nightmare, always enjoy reading your posts :)

I'm interested in your opinion on REB for big men. Although Wolph's ramblings were unreadable and tiresome, I bought into his REB philosophy. He often claimed that rebounding is the most important skill for a C/PF, and I later started noticing that my tranee with somewhat lower rebounding did slightly worse in matches.

Basically:
1. Ratings win matches
2. REB may have the biggest influence on C ratings(possibly less for PF).
Conclusion: Cs need Reb.

I will try serching the TL to see about high REB centers ratings, compared to low REB centers ratings.

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261712.25 in reply to 261712.23
Date: 8/2/2014 3:07:48 AM
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i also think that if you have higher SB on your players, you can player 2-3 zone more and thus off-set the lower individual rebounding.

So your defensive set becomes a factor as well.

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261712.26 in reply to 261712.25
Date: 8/2/2014 6:54:55 AM
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if you play 2-3 the amount of assisted and not defended field goals will be higher and you have less occasions where you can challenge a shot.

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261712.27 in reply to 261712.26
Date: 8/2/2014 9:27:34 AM
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isn't that going to be more a result of the offense that the opposition picks?

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261712.28 in reply to 261712.27
Date: 8/2/2014 10:33:02 PM
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No. not on BB.. 2-3 is useless on BB for some teams. IN my opinion 2-3 takes luck tp use.. Its really a wrong scripted made defense. For starters if it was a zone then where are the steals? Its seem more like 2-3 man to man than 2-3 zone.

2-3 man to man you'll get eaten alive by pocket mid range shooters in the open ranges all night, on BB that is was happen.. IN 2-3 zone that does not happen , because the defense shifts cover all spots,HI Od is working so is the ID of the Bigs. On BB I have never seen mass steals in 2-3 zone, . The defense in 2-3zone on BB to me is slim to none or the players are making the best effort of their lives on the court not to play defense for some teams.. Maybe with Gdp it can work.


That just me, I cant speak for anyone else. That's for them to come out and say and show. I think is sure a lost defense to play.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 8/2/2014 10:36:21 PM

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261712.29 in reply to 261712.28
Date: 8/2/2014 11:10:52 PM
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the GDP isnt going to change the fundamental of it.

BB have always come and said "2-3 zone works if your team has good shot blockers"

they even went out of their way to reduce the cost of shotblocking on salary.

Yet the majority of people don't have SB still.

So i think its a bit hard to say that 2-3 is lost, when people haven't implemented it correctly according to BB's.


From: jonte

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261712.31 in reply to 261712.30
Date: 8/3/2014 5:56:04 AM
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but wouldn't the increased OD allow more passes? and because of this also more assisted FGs inside the paint? my understanding was, that assisted fieldgoals are often uncontested. this means that high SB wouldn't help preventing the FGA. maybe the increased ID and some OD could help...

i will have a look at this B3 team ..

From: jonte

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261712.33 in reply to 261712.32
Date: 8/3/2014 8:40:55 AM
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thank you. i agree that ID on inside players is important to prevent open shots. i am just raising the question if the boost on ID and SB is worth it.

so in a 2-3 ID should be equally as important as SB. and as i mentioned above also high OD on bigs could prevent passes inside the paint and is necessary to defend corner threes on SF and PF . so you would need bigs with some OD but very high ID and SB for a 2-3.

i guess you can choose if you want to prevent the pass and set pressure on the ballhandler (like manon and you are doing with your 3-2, high OD defense) or if you want to cover the man inside but allow the pass.

i don't think 2-3 is broken but like you said high OD seems to be the far more effective defensive strategie at the moment even to prevent uncontested insideshots.

SB doesn't help to prevent the attempt, ID does it. SB is to alter/block the shot.

thats what i meant. SB would not alter/block the shot, because the shot would not be contested.

Last edited by jonte at 8/3/2014 8:45:53 AM

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