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yes this is essentially a situation where, BB's won't be able to monitor 'unfair' trades. If a noob comes along, and you're able to trade for his good players, whilst giving him rubbish, then there is no way that BB can monitor this.

We already have this problem where noobs spend their starting money on over-priced players, but at least there is some formulae for BB's to monitor these sales, and if they breach the sale limit/TPE, then they can pick up some of these.

But having trading would certainly increase the ability for people to just troll noobs for trades and perform bad trades.

and your example here is really about this.

If it's really about protecting the poor helpless noobs, BB should not allow them to buy new players for the first season they play. Then they can't make any bad roster choices. Actually, BB should also have someone from a higher league run their team for them, just in case they make bad lineup choices or always pick the GDP wrong. The whole point of playing the game is to be a manager. It doesn't say anything on the signup page about having to be good at it.

It would be difficult under my idea for a player to get 'rubbish' in return for a player on their roster since the salaries have to be similar. Yes, you could get a player that is not optimal in return for your better player, but that is why the option to trade has Accept and Reject buttons. As the selling manager, you get to decide if the deal is actually good for your team or not and Reject it if it isn't. Heck, the noob manager could even go to the forums and ask for a mentor to find out if he is getting conned or not.

1) Economy

If i spend $500k on players per season......, but then trading comes along and I trade instead, what do I do with my extra $500k per season?

I see BB has made strides to address this issue in the latest changes to the draft with adding new features that cost money to use. I would assume BB would continue making changes such as these to address the glut of money in the system. Maybe add new coaches that cost salary every week or unlock the supporter feature for logos and banners and instead charge teams money to purchase a logo and/or a banner. Or add jerseys and charge teams to design them.

I would probablyl just run at a massive financial loss all season with a monster roster (which ive traded for)....which BTW, if you have ever experienced a league where normal rosters are $400k and two teams decide to have $1m rosters - its not fun

Under my idea, if you have traded for your whole roster, you would have money and a roster of players worth less than the roster you started with. You can never trade for a player that is worth more than a player you already have. But, then you could go on the TL and spend your extra money for a superstar. I didn't make any changes to the TL, so that is still an option.

Alterantively, with my extra cash that im not spending on players because im trading, ill just spend more and more money on buying other players - so instead of paying $1m for that player, ill pay $2m, because ive got all this extra cash - this leads to Player inflation which is not good for anyone.
So I use that as an example to show that the current economic setup is very fragile to change. If you take away that exchange of money between two teams, its like closing the stock market for two weeks. financial chaos. its too fragile to implement something that would have an impact on the normal way the economy works.

Managers are doing this already. One guy boasted in USA chat during the last live game that he sold his whole roster for 3.5 million. He figured he was in 8th place and was going down a league anyway, so now he has 3.5 million to spend on whatever player he wants. Will he be banned for cheating if he overbids? Why? The TL gave him 3.5 mil for his roster.

In my idea, he could have traded his high dollar players away for lower salary guys that will still help him in the lower league and have money leftover to buy a few points for the upcoming draft so he can use some of those nifty new features. He wouldn't have 3.5 mil to throw around and he would still have a team that is competitive.

3) So cheating occurs, it occurs now. Back in the day i remember seeing the site home page declaring ridiculous banning numbers, something like 200 users banned in a single week. I also remember reading bout how it was cheating 'syndicates' - groups of people of about 30-40, who all had work and home computers and created duel teams and transfered with each other such that the paper trail was so long, and they were all helping national teams and etc etc etc. and it took BB a whole year to track them all down. Was pretty interesting actually...
So cheating occurs. ..... a lot........ So bringing in another facility which would actually be even harder for BB's to track as a 'cheating' transaction - not good. not good at all. In fact, probably the death of the game.
So I hope ive cleared that all up for you.

I don't see how my idea would actually allow these syndicates to cheat any more effectively than they could if they use the TL. Players would still transfer from team to team, just like they do under the TL. BB would still track which teams they went to, just like they do now. Since my idea uses the existing transfer structure already in the game, the existing anti-cheating mechanisms would still be just as effective.

The only thing that I think my idea is missing is a cooldown on how often a player can be traded. Let me add that in real quick. This would stop someone from trading a guy from team to team to team quickly until he gets where he wants him to be.

I don't see how my idea would actually allow these syndicates to cheat any more effectively than they could if they use the TL.

Lets walk through a scenario.

I, being me, one person - start up 10 new teams on 10 different computers that I have access to at various locations, different IP's and different email addresses.

My new teams all start with a bunch of rookies, and generally, you start with at least one good rookie. 18 or 19 Superstar potential at least.
I trade amongst the 10 teams until all the good rookies are on one team - this will be my main team. I don't trade directly from the 9 teams to one parent team, i perform multi-stepped trades such that a player goes from team A, to team B, to Team C, then to Team Alpha (main team).
Because i can trade and accept trades straight away, i can perform all these actions in a few hours. None of the trade restrictions will prevent me from trading young players because their salary and skill sets will all be similar, and even then, I can trade slightly less-potential players for better potential players and no one will blink an eye (who cares about a $3k salary 18 year old Per-allstar being traded for an 18 year old $3k salary all-star potential.).

So I now have my main team with all the good rookies on it. I don't log All 18/19 year old superstars or better potential. i start listing them one at a time on the transfer market for $300k each, and bam. in one week or so, I now have $2m in the bank.
Cheating....

THIS is why trading will never be allowed in BB. And unfortunately, there is no restriction, or method that can be put in place, which can monitor trades effectively to stop trades. There IS however mechanisms in place which can stop and monitor transfers. Its not perfect, but it helps.

Because i can trade and accept trades straight away, i can perform all these actions in a few hours.

I have updated my idea with a 5 game league game requirement. This would help in the prevention of these super teams.

So i can do it in 3 weeks.

3 weeks to be a millionaire. it still cheating.

And what are you proposing for new players? That they can't trade at all? Or transfer players at all? Im sorry, but if i joined this game and was not able to perform tese functions simply because i was new, id quit straight away.

and so would ever other new user, so im sorry but that is not an acceptable work around.

And the other point is that you have not answered my very first question:
- What benefit does this bring to the game? How does it make the game better? How does it improve my experience? How does it make me achieve something that i cannot achieve now?

So just answer this - How is trading players going to improve the game?

So just answer this - How is trading players going to improve the game?

I already answered that question (262158.9). You yourself commented that the benefits I listed were "good" and a "good point".

And what are you proposing for new players? That they can't trade at all? Or transfer players at all? Im sorry, but if i joined this game and was not able to perform tese functions simply because i was new, id quit straight away.

I see, so we're supposed to protect the noobs from making poor trades and selling good players for pennies, but if we restrict them from trading their team away for 2.5 weeks, 1 player at a time, to 18 different managers, it will make the game economy crash worse than the Great Depression and the players will desert in droves.

Yet, the number one thread in the BB Global Forums is "Is BB dying a slow death?" and is about how BB isn't attracting new players. When new players give ideas, they are smugly shot down without consideration or discussion.

Nearly every professional sports league has trades of some kind. There are ways to make it work. My idea is a pretty detailed explanation on how to do it.

3 weeks to be a millionaire. it still cheating.

It's 3 days with the transfer list. Actually, less since Supporters can put up players for 1 day transfers. And with the TL they can buy players that are way out of the skill level of the other players in their division.

It's 3 weeks to get a rookie scrub team that is halfway decent in potential since all player salaries would be less than or equal to the salary of the players you started with. And then multiple seasons to actually make those players worth a damn. Seems like a really, really time consuming way to cheat when you can just use the TL instead.

dude ive made my point, someone who has been playing the game for 4 years, AND a GM, if you don't like what you they have to say, its your problem.

Trading will never get implemented. if you don't like the reasons, go play another game.

Mr Tom Bane

I've said it before and i'll say it again, TRADING in any form no matter what well thought out scenario you might propose will never be implemented in BB. Its a PANDORA'S BOX, where one Good thing ( your trade proposal) will give rise to the Evils of cheating, fleecing noobs, creation of super teams, impossible monitoring of transactions and all the scenarios that coach regan mentioned in this thread.


The Transfer market works just fine.