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If I could build my arena again I would go heavier on the lower tier. At least 1500 more. Lower tier are the key. They are less volatile after a loss. Big arena cheap prices are also less volatile after a loss. My average gate is pretty decent for a D2 team and I rock a basic PR guy. Lots of seats cheap prices and I am considerably higher than league average.

D4 is the time to build. You can devote a large portion of your earnings into arena while maintaining league standing. Much more difficult to expand in D3 and painful in D2. This is of course referencing USA leagues.

well, i think i already took the bait...

so since i'm recovering from a weird flu and i'm home today, i did a bit of archeology and researched how i managed the arena with my old team (that existed from season 2 to season 22). too bad i cannot see how the seats were distributed, but i could find some interesting data.
as far as i remember, in the beginning i raised the ticket prices until it sold out often with full prices. than i started expanding it. i always let the prices in the maximum. when it was not 100% full it was usually at least 95%.

season 7 i was champion of II.2 in brazil, my arena was 7,590.
season 9 i was making playoffs on the I division and my arena was still 7,590.
season 11 i was finalist at brazilian cup. my arena had been upgraded to 11,312.
season 15 i was finalist of brazilian div I. my arena was still 11,312.
season 17 i won the brazil cup. my arena was 11,875.
season 18 i played B3 with a 5-3 record. my arena was still 11,875.
season 20 i unfortunately tanked and was relegated to div II. at some moment i upgraded to 14,487. i think it is the maximum size my arena got. season 22 i got stuck in div II and demotivated and left the game.

my arena was always the smallest of my league, but i always made enough money out of it to be competitive and achieve very nice things. i don't know if it was glorious or not. i think it was pretty decent. you to judge.

p.s.: i'm aware those were the golden days of buzzerbeater, when the game was played by more then 50k people. economy was on the raise, players weren't that developed, so tv rights and merchandise usually grew considerably each season, which is not necessarily the case nowadays. anyway, i don't regret anything. i bought the players i wanted and they never disappointed me. i had a pretty balanced and deep roster, with no bigshots and their ridiculously high wages.



Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 2/17/2015 5:26:03 AM

Well ultimately the team is yours. I think we're saying different things: you're saying I can enjoy the game and accomplish my targets with a smaller arena. We are saying, that's not the optimal solution for 99% of the users, who don't want to play against the odds. That's it.

I think the extra money from the larger arena is a very nice thing to have, perhaps it's even needed when competing in D2 against several 500k+ or in D1 against 850k-1.5m payroll teams (running a loss in the final part of the season).

I've seen more than one person quitting because of arena building.

20k arena can sell out in DI, DII, and DIII. What you said is true about the smaller arena making the same money as the bigger arena, but it is only true if your team is doing well. If your team is not doing well, the bigger arena has the advantage. The bigger LT section is less susceptible than the bleachers to attendance swings, and you can adjust your prices to make sure that the people who no longer want to buy LT tickets for your crappy team will buy bleacher tickets instead.

The other x factor is that you shouldnt really be spending money at the DI level on arena building. USA DI is super competitive and if you have to spend 2+ million dollars on your arena and not on players you will not last long.

Last edited by Phyr at 2/17/2015 8:37:46 AM

Okay, I'm convinced. A big arena is nice for a D.II or D.I team.

ok, but my current team is not even 3 complete seasons old, yours is 10. of course in 10 seasons my arena will be much bigger than it is today, but probably it will be much smaller than yours and give me back more or less the same income your current arena brings you (but I will have spent much less on arena expansions).

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 2/20/2015 9:06:50 AM

I hate to say it . But this were your wrong, there is a actually formula to building arena. You can buld it small and profit but It has to be near the right number of seats. every level need a certain amount of seats to profit .

It wise to ignore the % early and just build seats, because in the low leagues its does not matter if the seat are empty. You have only gained not lost on the seats, because there small cost expemt on your 1st build. The second is actually covered as well if you get it to or near the right numbers%... This why it smart to do arena in lower leagues to hell with buying players.

The BB guide pretty much back up my claim here. if you do arena in a higher league lets say 3-1st div you lose a lot of money per seat not bought. This is a fact.

I will put it like this, I spent around 3~4 mill for my arena in low leagues ,in a higher league it would have cost me 5-8 million. I would have made 3 million .taken in around 1.7 million.. I would've lost 5 million+ in higher leagues doing arena. I'm not adding player cost here. Thats 5 million you can spend else were. That why team go bankrupt 50% of time .The arena in top wont recoup the funds because you don't have the correct % or any thing over the number to create any value to cover cost.

Look I spent 3~ mill in low div on arena. I make 2.2 million a season. in the 1 and half season in low leagues those seats are paid for, here on out I can profit every time I build them regardless of cost.. Because there is a correct % in the higher leagues to attain. Which I've/or whom ever have already met day one. This is were extra profit come from not from a player or selling them.. It come from arena, as matter of fact selling players is not cost effective. arena can cover all all team cost and bring in more revenue all the way up to the highest level.

You never have to sell a player period,Selling a player effects arena revenue in the % you get. Some would call it merchandise. Those seat don't have to sell in low leagues. You have lost nothing. This rule is only for the higher league of play and get more strict as you go up.

So yes there is a % in seats to have. That's why it very important to build arena in the lower leagues because it cheaper and pays for it self faster in a cost out put. The higher lever is about players, which mean spend to do both and none can expect great results it too expensive unless your lacking salary cost from the league. You'll end up in red the end over time. This why you have more flippers. Because they don't know a damn thing about arena.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 2/22/2015 11:46:47 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I am I sincerely apologize.
>> Don't 100 lower tier seats cost the same to build in Div V as they do in Div III?
>> Don't 500 bleachers cost the same to build in Div IV as they do in Div I? I never knew there was a sliding scale on the cost of building seats.
>> And don't I make nothing on empty seats?

Mr. G and others, I appreciate your explanations. I just see it differently. Not saying I am right, just that I see it differently.