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96940.23 in reply to 96940.20
Date: 6/14/2009 9:33:37 PM
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Newcastle United got relegated from the Premiership but they had the 4th highest attendance in the league.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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Date: 6/14/2009 10:08:19 PM
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I feel like I want to put in my voice to this discussion. One of my issues here is trying to see how "realistic" this game is. This is supposed to be a simulator of some sort, after all. My biggest problem with the way that attendance fluctuates so wildly based on how a team plays in its previous game is pretty far from realistic. If a team is, say 12-0, and that team loses a close road game, suddenly fewer people come to the next game since they didn't like the last performance? I'm sorry, this team is still 12-1 and probably in first place, and that team is still a winner! Most tickets are probably sold well before the game is played, especially for a winning team. A fan's decision to buy a ticket, even on game day, is less about the immediate last game then it is about how the team is doing overall. I'd like to see some common sense put into the way attendance is factored, more weight should be put into what place a team is in and who the opponent is than what happened in the last game. If this creates a bigger gap in the competition of a league, then I'd rather see more revenue sharing or some other option (don't go off criticizing revenue sharing, I don't really mean to suggest it) then to keep the current system of odd attendance fluctuations.

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Date: 6/14/2009 10:24:00 PM
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We aren't there yet. Teams are still making healthy weekly profits. So, either sit back make that and dont complain you cant catch up OR spend it wisely and go challenge at the very top.

I am not complaining that I can't catch up. Mod-worthy42 is complaining that being consistently first in his league doesn't give him enough financial superiority.

Catching up works just fine right now. I want teams to be able to win with careful strategic and tactical planning, not but creating conditions for outspending others (situation I previously referred to as 'brute force').

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 6/14/2009 10:24:23 PM

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96940.26 in reply to 96940.25
Date: 6/14/2009 11:14:55 PM
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Sorry - the comment wasnt directed at anyone specifically.

But you can understand my point. The chasing teams are making decent money for 2nd/3rd/4th positions and with the profit they make they can easily upgrade non-trainees in todays market. If they chose not to then the 'strategy' of brute force' as you put it is a winning strategy in my opinion as they are prepared to put their money where their mouth is.

There are 2 sides to the equation and both of you present your cases.

I would say that as tough as it is to ensure that there will always be a chance to close the gap, there are better ways of demonstrating the differences in wealth amongst the top teams and one that could be formulated better is fan attendences in the early part of the season.

The next stage of the game is when the older & better players evolve and are replaced by the next generation. What happens then? Is there going to be help in place for the chasing teams so they are also able to refresh their rosters?

There has to be gaps in some areas and i think the overall point of this thread and others we have seen is that every time an advantage is created its cleverly being heavily watered down so not to offend.

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96940.28 in reply to 96940.22
Date: 6/15/2009 6:12:54 AM
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Lets take a step back here.

1mil now equates to 5-6 weeks (possibly 7) salary of one of the highest skilled big men in the game.

Now I would consider that Mod-worthy has earnt the right to take his team to the next level by adding one of these players to his team thus improving (hopefully!) his performance.

OH - he has bought such a player. Now if the rest of the chasing pack in the DBBL want to catch up and follow suit then they must already be making $125k more a week from the salary saving so its now just a case of when they step in and also buy such a player to compete on court with him.

You cant say 'boo hoo the gap will grow' when the chasing pack wont open their wallets and keep up the spending to improve their roster. If one team is taking it to the max. then I'd understand a complaint if you were then unable to bridge the gap.

I assume most Div.1 teams from a previous thread are operating with $125-150k profit a week (excl. cup money). This being the case do you want the game so that these teams can catch up their countries best without having to push the limits?

Lets at least have a challenge. Or you want them to be able to win and make $2mil a season as well???

Winning should allow the buffer of making a bit of profit each season. That should unlock further wealth as I would hope that teams 'winning' are doing all that they can.

We aren't there yet. Teams are still making healthy weekly profits. So, either sit back make that and dont complain you cant catch up OR spend it wisely and go challenge at the very top.

Having a formula that turns away STH's is ridiculous to winning teams. The emphasis needs to swing back to 'WINNING' and managers should be encouraged to go out and push the financial limits of their club for success.



Thanks! Well written and to the point! I have a profit of 36k pr. week right now. That means I have to stop in my tracks, unable to get better. Where is the point in that. Lay down and stop winning?

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Date: 6/15/2009 6:18:15 AM
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Thanks! Well written and to the point! I have a profit of 36k pr. week right now. That means I have to stop in my tracks, unable to get better. Where is the point in that. Lay down and stop winning?

How about getting better without adding salary?

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96940.30 in reply to 96940.27
Date: 6/15/2009 6:20:03 AM
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Janteloven.

Ever heard of it? And by the way, I'm sure you did not get the message correctly, Superfly Guy did and he can see it from both sides. Thats all I can ask for.

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Date: 6/15/2009 6:35:18 AM
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Thanks! Well written and to the point! I have a profit of 36k pr. week right now. That means I have to stop in my tracks, unable to get better. Where is the point in that. Lay down and stop winning?

How about getting better without adding salary?


Well have been trying to unload a player or two.

Anyway, I got the discussion I wanted. And I'm happy that a few guys saw my point (maybe I am not a good enough writer to get my message clearly across) and looked at what I felt was the actual problem. It's easy to shoot at the guy on the top. More difficult to stay there.

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Date: 6/15/2009 7:18:34 AM
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Freiherr Adolph Franz Friedrich Ludwig Knigge

Ever heard of him? And by the way,I`m sure i unterstand ur view.But i still think u are a big whiner.U get the maximum what u can get from ur fans,u get money for winning cup and league,u get maximum games with training and income,u get the whole PlayOff Packet which included insane Fan Boost and no tax and u still want more?!Aight,ur a poor poor guy.Sorry if it sound a little bit harsh but ur complaining is aehhh......:-)




Well no need getting personal. Like I thought, you did not get the point. I don't mind fx. if new teams get a bonus, promotion teams get a bonus. Div teams get bonus for placement. But the fan situation is not realistic and there are ways to correct that without 1 team getting dominant. Dont forget, I came from divIII and beat the guy on the top who is also a very good manager. So I wont hold it against you as I see you havnt won a thing and wouldn't know how to veiw it from both sides like Superfly Guy.

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