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199844.231 in reply to 199844.222
Date: 11/6/2011 10:58:16 AM
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Thanks Oriole.

I'm a bit at a loss as to who to vote for still. All three guys have been active and involved on the offsite and have pretty similar ideas. A change from last season's NT election in which there was a clear choice of differing styles and experience. Honestly, I figure USA can't go far wrong with any of the three.

Basically what I'm saying is, let the cash bribes begin!


I'm in the same boat. They all seem to be fine and similar choices. I have no clue who to vote for so I haven't yet.

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199844.232 in reply to 199844.231
Date: 11/6/2011 11:00:11 AM
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I somewhat agree, however I have cast my vote, BUT am actively watching the thread and could change my vote before the deadline.


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199844.233 in reply to 199844.230
Date: 11/6/2011 11:07:43 AM
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Using last season's players pool and skills at the end of the season. If all players were in 9GS give me your ideal lineup if we were to go RnG and your ideal lineup if we were going LI. You can use all S17 players regardless if they ever got called up. Assume we are going m2m against a team that was running a neutral offense.


Cool question.

RnG

Brown/Stephens
Yi/Rouse
Carlson/Brunner
Merrill/Moreland
Hammond/Hobilla

LI

Luther/Selby
Brown/Goddard
B-Rod/Battle
Merrill/Moreland
Hammond/Hobilla

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199844.234 in reply to 199844.233
Date: 11/6/2011 12:08:56 PM
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I'd probably pick the same. If our bigs were on more equal level I probably would have put someone with better rebounding in than Mike Merril, but since he was just so dominant he had to start. His 7 passing is nice in a R@G though.

Also I'd just like to point out that both of us would have used specific players most effective inR@G, and specific players most effective in LI. AKA niche players would have been used if we ever went R@G this year since the players we used in LI would not be able to score in a R@G. Luther was a 12/9 player(A LI PG), J-Brown was, well Jimmie Brown so he would have played regardless of what we ran, and B-Rod was 11/7 JS/JR(Our LI SF).

So my ideas are not extreme and designed to fail. They've been used some in the past, and as you can see here, would have been used if we went R@G last season.

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199844.235 in reply to 199844.234
Date: 11/6/2011 12:10:39 PM
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On an unrelated note... whiskey tango foxtrot is up with everyone using @ for the AND in run and gun? seriously? &... or N... or A... but "at"??!?!?!?!?!11eleven

From: Stauder

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199844.237 in reply to 199844.235
Date: 11/6/2011 12:36:54 PM
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Magiker and I both used RnG to meet your standards of abbreviated lingo. Hope this earns us many points on Azariah's online friends scale.

@Oriole, but you also used many of the same players in those two offenses. Thus not having too much room, especially at the beginning of the season, for these "niche" players because they are not multifaceted. Plus, all the guards had the requisite OD in order to play...so are they really "niche" if they all must have at least a certain amount of something?

I like the lineups proposed so far, but how can we not advocate for Jimmie Brown to be a backup in the LI offense after the Worlds' finals?

From: magiker
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199844.238 in reply to 199844.231
Date: 11/6/2011 12:43:04 PM
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I feel I am the best candidate for the U21 coach. When Rambo posted a thread on the off-site asking for an assistant coach to help with scouting and strategy, I was the only candidate that jumped at the opportunity. I was told I should run by a few people, but I wasn't confident that I could do it. After being assistant coach this season, I know I will do a great job. I won't half-ass it, and I'll put as much time as Rambo did into this.

I am the only candidate that had the experience of being the U21 coach for a week. Rambo let me give it a go in our game against Brazil, where we won easily. Thoroughly scouting an opponent, looking through our possible call-up options, communicating with everyone on the off-site, and looking hard at different suggestions is incredibly time consuming, and more than I realized. I'm completely prepared for this.

If I'm the U21 coach, very little will change. The best players will be on the team, if I trust the manager to maintain good GS. I will absolutely have more than one of the same player, especially bigs and combo guards. I feel combo guards are useful because it's difficult to carry two separate sets of guards for inside and outside offenses with a roster limited to 18. And if only half of each set are in good GS, what do you do? It's easier to carry guards that are better in an inside offense, some that are better outside, and combo guards who can do a little bit of everything. Combo guards allow us to be a little more unpredictable. Only being able to run an outside offense can be a real problem. Running strictly inside offenses throughout a season is better, but if you don't have the top players (Merrill, Hammond, Brown, Luther...) then you may have problems offensively. Combo guards are really useful in that sense.

Our strategy will be heavily dependent on the situation and our standings position. I will not make a blanket statements about enthusiasm management. I would like to TIE every game in the America's first round, but if ensuring a win against Canada or Chile at the end of the first round will put us in a much better group in the second round, we'll do it. All of my decisions and thought process will be on the tactics forums on the off-site, and I certainly welcome opposing views to that.

Other candidates have talked about changing the way we scout our 18-20 year-olds. I don't want to change that. We had the most talented team at Worlds this season, because of the interest our former coaches generated in the national teams, as well as work our scouts did 4 seasons ago. We have some great players in the pipeline as well. I think our scouting system has given us a real advantage over other U21 teams, and I don't want to fix something that isn't broken. There may be ways where it can be improved, but I don't want to be unrealistic. There are hundreds of prospects each draft, and only a handful of people helping out. Jfarb and the scouts are doing the best they can, and it's a main reason we won Worlds.

If you're still not sure who to vote for:

@ Rambo, Mof: Ricky Logsdon is the best player in the history of BB. Hands down. We'd win Worlds if we had 5 Ricky Logsdon's to play every position on the court.

@ jfarb: Ricky Logsdon is the biggest dbag in the game. There's only one person to blame for our loss in the America's final, and that's Ricky Logsdon.

@ Namssor, OSU, Panic, buckeyefan: Can we agree that no matter how gay "Leaders and Legends" sounds, the Big 10 is the best conference in college football?

@ everyone else: The SEC is easily best football conference.

@ RiseandFire, Coco: I think driving is really important.

@ fewmit: I'll give you $10 more than anyone else.

@ BFiddy: I'll make a new position, "Senior Religious and Hairy Wildlife Tactical Strategist" and upon election, I'll immediately name GODBEAR to fill the spot.

From: Jason

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199844.239 in reply to 199844.238
Date: 11/6/2011 12:58:32 PM
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Well.....That sums everything up :-)

From: Isaiah

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199844.240 in reply to 199844.233
Date: 11/6/2011 1:03:12 PM
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I would most likely pick the same lineup for the RnG as Magiker and Oriole. For the LI though I still wouldnt start Brown. I know was our best guard but given how he plays in a LI I wouldn't do it. I would either start Selby and Luther at PG/SG like we did in the championship or I would start Goddard at SG

From: Isaiah

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199844.241 in reply to 199844.238
Date: 11/6/2011 1:05:00 PM
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I have a question for you. You said both the other managers( oriole and myself) wanted to change how we scouted but how am I changing it?In fact, on the offsite Jfarb just started splitting up the scouting EXACTLY how I had planned to do it.

Last edited by Isaiah at 11/6/2011 1:09:14 PM

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