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Perfect post. I asked some of these things before in this thread and expressed my opinion on all the others, by agreeing/disagreeing and providing arguments in favor of my stance. The only other who has done this is Vecx. I'd like others to do the same.

Others in general or me more specifically? You're very hard to understand when you're being ambiguous.

Your general attitude when providing arguments is I'm sure, putting some people off posting. Not me, I might add. You can say what you like to me. I barely have time for this thread because of all the mail I get about how badly this thread is going. Not to mention things I actually have to do away from my laptop.

I'm not interested in blame, I'm interested in recognition of areas of improvement and moving forwards. God, I feel like I'm at work now. Anyway...

What I see is that the 22-25 age group appears not to be actively managed, and want suggestions on who should do this.

The NT Manager?

The U21 Manager?

An assistant to either of the above, call them the U25 co-ordinator or something?

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Point two - all this really requires is for interested managers to make themselves known to whoever is going to be the broker, and drawing attention to any players on the market via a forum. If the u25 co-ordinator is actively managing relationships with the managers of these players, that helps.

I think the broker pretty much has to be the NT manager, for reasons of credibility with potential vendors. Other views welcome.

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Point three - I think we're wisely all still on a break from discussing this any further.

Others in general or me more specifically? You're very hard to understand when you're being ambiguous.

You mainly, since you're also the NT manager. Your intervention in this discussion has been chiefly directed to chastise people or bring up something completely unrelated to the way forward.

You clearly have a different opinion of how this thread should be going and what we should be discussing, but what exactly is it? You seem to be able to say only what it should not be like, what people are doing wrong, who they are blaming. I'm honestly interested to know what your opinion is.

I will never jump at anyone who arguments his opinions better than: "it's like this because I say so" or "it's like this because I do it" or "who are you to speak to me". This does not help anyone and, sorry, it is also not exactly credible if there are threads with plenty of top managers from other nations saying otherwise or if numbers support alternative views.

Regarding my general attitude and your finger pointing, I will just say that anybody can read what both me and Vecx have written and I don't believe sarcasm and smug authority, as you called it, has been coming on one side only. I have dropped that despite an additional dose of it this morning.

I promise you I will abstain to post here any further, other than thanking JoeMaverick for taking the time to draft a reply. I'm genuinely curious to see the direction the discussion will take and how many of the people complaining to you by mail will feel like participating to the discussion.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/11/2014 2:44:17 PM

Cheers, somehow I missed this!

Since you think you're completely blameless for derailing the thread, I'm simply not going to respond to you any more.

Edited because frankly I don't want a reply.

Last edited by Gully Foyle at 12/11/2014 2:36:28 PM

it would be nice if we all could have that list. or could i have it? can someone send it to me?

I am willing to train players out off position for another few seasons and I do have some cash to spend.

probably down the line I need to sell Osman if I cant go up and survive in EBBL but I am sure he will be off interest to other coaches...

These players need to be trained effectively. There are several theories on how to do that best. This is actually the easiest thing to manage, so let's come back to that later.

i think this is exactly what you guys cant seem to agree on. I feel that we need a NT coach that wants to coach the english NT for many seasons to come. And we should try and get him a set off players he feels he wants to get. It is nice we all give our say, and than someone spends 4 seasons training a player for the NT and than he doesnt get selected because it is an offensive player and for example the NT coach prefers defensive players

More sarcasm.

Broker? No.

If someone approaches me and asks me to help sell a player, I'll do it. If someone approaches me and asks me to help buy a player, I'll do that too.

I've already done this in fact. But it hasn't happened very often.

However, its far simpler if someone wants a player, for them to approach the owner directly.

Additionally I'm not really interested in brokering players to one top team in the EBBL, and I don't think any other NT manager should either.

The point of the broker is to stop a rush of BBmails to the owners of the players on our list of prospects. If it's just one person saying, "look, we have managers in our community prepared to give you an early bid of x, would you sell at that price?" then it's more likely that that manager will communicate.

Shall we all pause...

It snowed where I live today, I've been making snowballs and enjoyed tea in the midst of a snow fort made by my son. It was fun and what life is all about... Family.

Ultimately we still need a core community that are able to work together rather than reading sarcasm into every statement (no sarcasm was in that statement). This community will never run by strategy but ultimately as Elmacca rightly summarises, it will work by community and communication, with what is inferred in his last post 'trust'.

Looking at the way this thread has gone over the last few days; looking at how it began to deteriorate after accusations of blanket snobbery was hurled generally in the direction of anyone found to be disagreeable or hold contrary opinions (not a put down or sarcasm), there has been a blanket disregarding of huge efforts that have been put by people into players and the NT over countless seasons (not a put down or sarcasm and I do not include myself in that group so you cannot claim that I am bemoaning not being appreciated). There are overcritical attitudes from some and others reading overcritical attitudes into others where there is none (not a put down or sarcasm).

It is rather obvious that there is a significant level of trust within the community that needs to be brokered before things can improve.

Myself being positioned now in the ebbl has given many reason to see that as a reason to read that whatever I say is from a position of putting people down, please do not, never do, I would happily drop to D3 just to make sure nobody felt put down. That is the way I live my life and frankly that is the furthest thing from my mind. I personally do not get my sense of self worth from playing online games, so what would be the purpose of point scoring (and that is not a put down either)? There are clear power plays on this forum (not a put down), where individuals are seeking influence and to be the 'main man' (not a put down), honestly if you need someone to recognise your greatness (not sarcasm) I'll happily call you wonderful (not sarcasm) so we can all move on and work as a team (not sarcasm or a put down). The ones this most applies to will probably become apparent as anyone that feels affronted by even that statement probably has a share in what is going on here (which is not a put down but a call to work together).

So shall we all take a night off, some may want to make a snowman, others may just watch a movie and have a glass of wine.

And lets come to the table in a day or so, warm hearted and with a commitment to overcome our assumptions and differences and actually pull a team together for the NT?

I'm most upset by the fact you have snow and all I have is this terrible blue sky with not even a cloud in sight! Elitist! Snow Snob!