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What if i want a balanced team? If i do what you are saying then it limits my options and i am able to play only inside tactics. Why not be able to surprise my opponents?Yes my SG is great shooter JS/JR/OD=15/12/13, but again my big men are very good scorers too.(3 best min 13 on IS, plus nice JS), so when i am chosing inside tactics i am expecting the ball to go way more inside than outside. Of course i want my good guard shooters to be able to make there open shots that the big men will produce.

If you can't play inside tactics, your team isn't balanced right now.

To balance your team you could try to get guards for several tactics. Lets say you got a total of 5 guards in your roster, you could try 2 more passing balanced, 2 more shooting balanced, and one overall player. If you play inside you start the passing balanced guys, if you play outside you play the other ones. It's not easy but it should be possible hehe


Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/16/2010 11:46:39 AM

An interesting game from lower divisions: (17992341) The SG of the team that played LI took more shoots that his PF/C (starters and subs)combined

I like your ideas,(you are saying that you can built an effective inside game) but still doesnt change the fact that its really hard to do it, and a luxury for the rich clubs. Also we gonna always doubt for what we are doing is right or wrong, and believe me its not very pleasant to see your mistakes on a must win game. Why dont you take the route that can understand and its more safe?

If passing is so important (understandable) why its not given the chance to train it, lets say for the forwards? why PA training its privilege only only for the guards? (again dont tell me about team training, i am not buying it)

I guess I'm trying to say that while the team ratings can tell you how to profile the skills of the different roles on your team - where to put your scarce resources first - what they cannot do is to represent where the weakest links on your team are for different types of plays. Often these breaking points within your lineup will have rather low weight in the team rating formulas (say a forward that has atrocious passing), but they go a long way in explaining why you often have two teams in a league that produce similar team ratings on the same tactics, but that are still far from equally strong.
Is it easier to play run and gun? Maybe, because in run and gun everybody shoots from wherever they are when they get the ball (exaggerated), but exactly for this reason that's a tactic that is pretty easy to defend as well - just get your OD (and partly ID) levels up and you'll beat this team. An inside team with some hidden strengths is a wholly different affair. It doesn't need the most sophisticated managers in the game to build such hidden strengths - often one can work with what one has. If your best center was born with OD 7 or PA 6, that is something you can build a strategy on. On this level Buzzerbeater is a much richer game tactically than some voices in this thread seem to believe.

While I think the same about the ratings I don't really think that the highmarked lines are really a good example.

The way of neutralazing any outside tactic is, well... with outside defense. You may play any kind of zone in order to help your team and others skills will become relevant when doing it but OD will always be the most important one.

Run and Gun is not a simple tactic but it is a very efective one in a game where defenses are just to powerfull.

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I really do not think that in order to get a complete player you have to be a rich team. You can have very complete players by training him and they don't have to start from all their skills in respectable.

Of course, if you want to have a MegaStar wich also features very good (perhaps trained) secondary skills you have to be a "rich" team... very likely playing in First Div or maybe Second Div but, there is no problem with that right?

You need a player who at least can shoot and play D very well right? Especially when you know that for example your rival has a great G(This is what is happening to me) that you have to stop him to win. When for example you know that this player has 16JS what you gonna do? You have to try to find a player with at least 14OD, but those players usually have great shooting skills too. To buy that player you need at least 4.2M. So its not so easy as you are making it to look.

You need a player who at least can shoot and play D very well right? Especially when you know that for example your rival has a great G(This is what is happening to me) that you have to stop him to win. When for example you know that this player has 16JS what you gonna do? You have to try to find a player with at least 14OD, but those players usually have great shooting skills too. To buy that player you need at least 4.2M. So its not so easy as you are making it to look.

But you ARE one of teams that could be named as "rich". You are a First Div team who is 3rd in his conference. Therefore, you are probably making more money that most of the users in BB, if not, you probably have a very good roster.

My point is, when I read that you find expensive that kind of player I start thinking we have very large difference when understanding our role as managers.

Having 4.2m to get a new player should be something prepared. Should be the result of selling a player with a few seasons and training, probably some savings, the selling of an older player or a combination of those three. I'm trying to say that the game should be designed in order to make difficult to have that money. Because when you have it, you are about to make a very important decision.

On the other hand, I understand that you might be unconfortable with the idea of not being able to stop the superstar of , lets say, your rival so he is beating you in important games. What can you do? Try to put a defensive player on it or a regular defensive player in order to make difficult to blow you or assume he is going to beat you in that mathup. What should you do then? Create other matchups where you are going to bet him and pick that tactic which is going to distribute more shots towards those positions where you are going to win. That, based on others factors like Stamina, FT your capability to win the battle for the rebounds, your own skill to create high quality shots, etc. is what is going to lead you to victory.

This is something BBs have been trying to tell us for at least three seasons and I believe this was one of the major purposes behind the Josef Ka large post. In order to do that (picking the right tactics with the right players) you DO need a "balanced" if not versatile roster.


Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 1/17/2010 11:18:08 AM

That was my tactics last 5 years. This is how i am just the 2nd champion of CBBA. He was investing on his guards, i was investing on my big men. It worked very well until this season, when the GE changed. I cant any more count on my big men to win him, it failed. I need now to find those rear wing players that costs 2 much money, just to make the inside tactics to work well. In the meantime with not more that i have spend on my guards he was able to buy big men good enough to stop mine.

Having team % on FT 74.7% it doesnt scream that i have FT problem. My actually shoots 10% higher than him. In fact i am the best FT team in my league (from the 3-4 strong teams that we have at least) and i shoot way more FT's from them too. I also guarantee you that stamina its not an issue either. The players that are on my rotation on the crucial games have at least 6 on stamina.

I was checking your games from last 2 seasons. I wonder why you didnt use this season even 1 time inside tactics? Maybe you see the same that so many people sees?

Again its a fact that is much harder to built an inside offense, than an outside one.

I was checking your games from last 2 seasons. I wonder why you didnt use this season even 1 time inside tactics? Maybe you see the same that so many people sees?

Again its a fact that is much harder to built an inside offense, than an outside one.

With the money I got from my key C + savings from this season I'm planning to bring a 150k+ C to compete against Inside Strong tems like Mighty Avengers or Cs like David Tapia (465k). Since, my old C wasn't ready for it, I decided to sold it, save and later improve. That's why the amount of times I see an inside tactics being my best way to win has dramatically decreased. Not because I think inside tactics are weak.

I might agree that building a good inside offense is harder than an outside one. If I were to defend that, I would say that it is because most inside trainers think that trining big men means train IS, ID and RB while most of outside trainers think we need JS, JR, OD, DR, HN and PA at least. So it is very likely that outside managers have had an adventage with the last change not because outside tactics had suddenly become dominant, but because their training patters were much more "in flow" with the changes than the patters of most inside trainers.

I don't know how you train and how is composed your roster, but maybe if you start training a more broad set of skills for your Cs and PFs and/or realize that you need some passing in your guards (like most outside-minded coaches sees the importance of RB in their Cs and PFs) you might improve your team without needing 5m for a outside star (wich anyway, I would suggest you to have).

You can try to do that or come up with a better strategy or continue to focus in discussing something that doesn't seems very likely to change unless several seasons of different strategies of "inside development" proves it. Here you can discuss and show how you feel, but it is very likely that many of us will honestly tell you: Go and change the way you have been doing things until now. Adapt. Let's see what others managers are about to do and with that results, we might have this discussion again and see if the change made the outside tactics dominant or a change in the managers was need in order make the inside tactics work.

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 1/17/2010 12:10:28 PM

That was my tactics last 5 years. This is how i am just the 2nd champion of CBBA. He was investing on his guards, i was investing on my big men. It worked very well until this season, when the GE changed. I cant any more count on my big men to win him, it failed.

this season the GE didn't changed, you already have the new ge in your championship season ;)