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Interesting. I hadn't noticed that before.

don't you watch your games man..?
3-2 gives a boost to your outside defense rating and 2-3 vice versa..
but if you watch the game you can see that your players are still playing man-to man..
have you ever seen a center blocking a guard..?

Having thought about it for a bit, I think that the phenomenon you mentioned (where the opposing position player guards every time) is down to the way the match viewer displays actions. I think that in the game engine, the defensive ability of the opposing player is important, but that other factors (such as if there's a zone) come into play.

I would be truly shocked if they programmed it in such a way that something like zone defense had no effect.

guys,

i just read that the back court cannot be trained IS,

but we are talking about lay ups and connection to IS. i dont get the point of talking about it if we cant train it.

the only way now to get them to improve is to train them in rebounding or maybe Inside defense. ( the way im reading the threads it seems so)

it just complicates things, i think there should be a clear understanding as to what driving and inside shot has connection from the bb.

because if you sum driving and inside shot has a relation but for example his driving is strong and inside shot is atricious then your saying his a natural slasher but cant finish at all? imagine how good he pass by his opponent but cant get it down? wow!! this is giving me a headache.



Edited by CoolCat (1/18/2008 9:59:33 PM CET)

Last edited by Shoei at 1/18/2008 9:59:33 PM

bump

I'm already avoiding guards that have low inside shot just to be safe. BB's, any chance we can get clarification on this?

It doesn't look like it!

You can train the guards at IS with 'one on ones' , but no other inside skills, which could lead to the guards winning the inside battles all the time!

Ok my understanding is that zone defense boosts team skill which increases likelihood of shot blocks or misses.

The position that players are placed effects the team skills as well.

Like the BBs have always suggested, the more skills are player has the better he is. A player who is highly train only in 1 skill is pretty useless in this game. If you want a player that will work with your team it is about having a player that matches your team.

I am not sure how much the individual line-ups are taken into account. For example if a point guard can shoot inside and does some lay-ups, what is taken into account for the defence.

Anyway the system is not a easy as this is right and this is wrong. You can test and try out strategies but the main thing to note is a well balanced team kicks the ass off a team with one player.

I understand the importance of multi-skilled players, and that the GE is complex. But, this seems like an area of confusion that comes down to how the programmers of the GE interpreted this type of move. Since inside shot is not a skill to be trained for guards, im assuming the GE would not take this skill into account for an important gaurd ability.

If inside shot is important for that key ability, then guard trainers should be able to train this skill. Being a post player and being able to make a layup are very different. Same for being able to defend a layup vs defending a hook shot.

If inside shot is important for that key ability, then guard trainers should be able to train this skill. Being a post player and being able to make a layup are very different. Same for being able to defend a layup vs defending a hook shot.

i think the same,

also influence from height in training is important, i think its easier for taller guys to train inside shot, so it would be slow down skillups on the smaller guards if you train them on forward positions. i think its much better if you train the smaller guards on their normal positions, coz you get much more ups out of this and in the end you build up better players overall. so i wont go on insideshots for my guards only kinda bonus if you on 1on1.

If inside shot is important for that key ability, then guard trainers should be able to train this skill. .

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IS is certainly no 'key' ability for guards. But it doesn't mean they never use it. Just like my guard putting a block in one of my games, he also went inside for an inside shot on a few ocasions.
You have two options, actually you have 3,
1: you neglect the inside shot skill because the guard doesn't take to many inside shots, and you don't mind missing them. If you play look inside I'm not so sure this is a good thing, if you like to play on outside focus this might be the best option.
2: you make sure that when you buy a guard his IS is high enough, because you know you will not be able to train it, and you do want him to have high enough Is for the few time he does take it to the ring. This will ofcourse be a more expensive choice, but chances are you get a few more points every so many games.
3: you train your guards in your scrimmages on a position where they do receive IS training, thus improving his skill. Personally I think this is the least of the options because you must have better trainees than guards for IS training, but okay, it's an option.

As for what is what in the game engine, my believe is, but I'm not 100% sure, that jump shots always are clearly stated in the game report, if there is no way you can read if he took a jumper/jumpshot, then he didn't. Lay-ups and dunks are both inside shots, as are lay-in or drop-in shots.
I also strongly think that all shots taken from near the ) pictured on the field in the Match viewer very close to where you would expect the ring to be, are inside shots.

I base this on a player I have who is ATROCIOUS on outside shot and AVERAGE on inside shot. Like many ATROCIOUS shooters, he never makes an outside shot. When he makes shots, I look at the game and see his made shots came from in the paint.

For me, that's definitive.

Maybe a fair assessment, but you have to take into account the inside and outside D of the guy who is guarding him, too. The game isn't played in a vacuum.