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Nah, there are other horrible teams to balance out the Yankees. Wait until the Mets' annual end of season collapse. It's a close race between the Islanders and the Knicks for consistently worst team in New York. Though the Islanders get the edge since their "slump" has lasted years longer.

(Says the bitter Mets, Islanders, Knicks fan...)

What was up with Wade's comment about not liking the Bulls' lack of loyalty to former players?

Nah, there are other horrible teams to balance out the Yankees. Wait until the Mets' annual end of season collapse. It's a close race between the Islanders and the Knicks for consistently worst team in New York. Though the Islanders get the edge since their "slump" has lasted years longer.

(Says the bitter Mets, Islanders, Knicks fan...)

What was up with Wade's comment about not liking the Bulls' lack of loyalty to former players?

Wade slammin’ the Bulls? My take is this: he’s already decided he’s going to stay in Miami and he wants to dissuade other stars from going to Chicago and go to Miami. It’s sort of like when a girl is a little bit pretty, she’s going to tell everyone that a really pretty girl has a bad personality.

I think this since I’m giving Wade the benefit of the doubt since I he’s either politicking because he wants to make sure he gets an all-star to play on his team, or he’s truly ignorant of the business of the NBA. The NBA is a business, period. Looking closely at Wade’s criticism (you can find it online), I am forced to think about how MJ didn’t retire on good terms with the Bulls since his ego wouldn’t allow him to be friends with Reinsdorf/Krause and always thought they were fighting (though they gave MJ the biggest salary ever as a parting gift). Pippen wasn’t happy with the Bulls since he though that if he wasn’t as good as MJ, he was at least close, and he had a short-term memory when he forgot that the signed a really bad contract once against the advise of the Bulls management (as I recall) and thought he was underpaid (he was). Scottie went to Central Arkansas, not Harvard (no offense meant to you Central Arkansas grads, I didn’t go to Harvard either). Wade didn’t mention that the Bulls do have a history of keeping players around after retirement. Bill Cartwright spent time as the head coach. Pete Myers, who is still a Bull’s coach, took over the head coaching job after Cartwright was fired and again as the interim head coach again after Scott Skiles was fired. John Paxson is currently the VP of Basketball Operations (and the Bulls' puppet master). Bob Love is the Director of Community Affairs. Jerry Sloan has moved on, but a couple of his kids still work for the Bulls. Johnny Red Kerr’s kid also still works for the Bulls (at least I think she does…). And even if the Bulls never showed loyalty to former players and superstars, so what? You think the superstars show loyalty? If LeBron walks from Cleveland, he has only the hypocrite’s right to choose a team based on loyalty. The NBA is a business first and foremost. So either Wade is showing us that he’s sticking with Miami and just trying to give the Bulls a black eye to help himself, or he is truly ignorant of the way professional basketball works.

i just dont get the point of paying a player max contract of 20 million a season which could just be the number 2 guy on a really good team at best.

imagine paying someone who averages 21.3 pts , 4.9 assist , 4.6 rebs. a ballhog who takes jump shots often than taking it to the rim, if you see his minutes are dropping every season and his ft% are going along with it having the latest getting 3.5 attempts only? tell that to your number 1 scorer or best offensive player on the team

this move by the hawks will again add to the books of bad decision ever made in desperation during free agency. im expecting around 2-3 seasons joe johnson will likely be move especially as the stats shows! aside from that 100% sure his going to hurt his team money wise/ flexibility and their chances to improve.

i dont think wade staying with miami has nothing to do with anything of chicago, the way i see it his giving time or chance for maimi to try to persuade him or let him see what miami would do to keep it competitive.

like trying to get another star player, maybe imagine the time duncan before signing with the spurs to make sure he gets help , the spurs immediately get players to surround him.

i think wade is ditching an effort to make the miami desperate enough to get 1-2 very good players in.

the reason for me to believe this is, with the past seasons wade is already getting injured and starting to miss a stretch of games. now for him to move to another doesnt make him more valuable to the other team than the heat and bottom line is wade can get more money in miami than elsewhere in terms of contract.

also if you look at some other teams, i think one move im anticipating is the amare drama. its become clear that probably we wont see him wear the suns uniform anymore. but why sign only a warrick . . . the key here is if im not mistaken they hold the right to match any contract offer presented to him by any team which can lead to a sign and trade for other players.

such can be seen in the David Lee story, his taking trips elsewhere but the difference is NYK doesnt have the right anymore to match any offer given with what they did last season of giving him a 1 year contract.

one thing is exciting is to know where bosh will be headed, till now his just taking his time.

I see JJ as an overpaid, but a move that Hawks should do. With him, they are PO team, without him, back to mediocre years. Yes he is not a franchise player, but its not all or nothing. They are something between. Atlanta is not popular destination for the top FA, so his replacement would be really hard. Also just to note that he game of JJ is not based on his athleticism, so he will age much better than lets say Amare, o Wade.

Sure they'll make the playoffs but they're not going to get anywhere.

So i guess it comes down to what is better?
Letting Joe Johnson go if he doesn't accept a "reasonable" contract to stay in Atlanta and maybe having a mediocre season or two but having the freedom to make long term improvements.

OR

Locking JJ in to a crippling max contract which means that the team won't be able to make any significant improvements and won't be more than a first or second round playoff team at best for the next 5 years or so.

They where in mediocrity for 8 years without PO. They start to built some good reputation, being constant PO team. How you will be able to recruit someone if your talent is poor? its not like they are Chicago or NY (large markets). NBA is not only about to be a champion but also a business too.

Yes,but this is a very bad business for Atlanta.They should let someone do an offer to JJ,and then decide if draw the offert or let him go.After the bad playoffs he make,I doubt that any team would offer him more than 15 M in a year(only because this market is crazy,his value si around 10-12 M x year)...they decide to give him 20 M pfor year..

If you have equal proposal, to go on contender or stay in Atlanta what would you chose? You need a motive to stay there. Whats that? $

None of the contenders has the space to offer him a 15M x year contract.No one.The best offer he could receive,except for Atlanta,would be from the Knicks,that are a team in a worse situation than the Hawks last year...maybe the Bulls would give him an offer,but I don't think they would offer him more than a contract similar to Deng's contract

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 7/5/2010 5:47:32 PM

oh comeon johnnyB . . . do you mean that josh smith and horford arent consider to be stars in the nba?

maybe what your trying to say is how does the hawks appeal to other players, but as i said . . . it all depends on the hawks on how they would work this out.

things like flexibility, to be more competitive after few years. the hawks arent a win now team so still i dont get why that offer be given. there are other players out there that could have more value at 15 million or less.

also the problem with what the hawks and nyk did with amare they set a standard already. imagine would bosh, wade and lebron get less money than those 2 wherein the 3 are far more superior than others. ok amare with injury issues compare to bosh who is healthy, plus any player who played with nash and flourish usually have a liability when seperated with nash . . . marion with the suns just look at the ft% and when he was with the miami and dallas should i say more.

the thing is the hawks are a pg away from it all, i dont think mike bibby can solve their concerns at the pg spot.

the fact is that we might have seen what the hwaks has at best . . . they decided to go on with it even though hurting themselves in the long run.