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keep it going. NT got a last win, but we're out of competitive matches for this season. i'll be calling up some other players each week. to get selected, they'll need to be GS 9. if they aren't GS 9, they might get removed from the NT. would like to see what our team can do if everyone is in good shape.

i'll also be playing a few games with other tactic than Motion, since our PG and C's were never in good shape at the same time ( either the PG's where horrible and the C's were ready to go, our the C's weren't great, and the Pg's were ready to go inside..)

Rev

i'm not asking them to keep em at lvl 9 all the time.

what i meant is the following.

in Belgium, we have several decent players. Those who were on the team up till now, are believe to be the best. however, some others are being trained, to make the team in the near futur. In orde to give their coaches a boost, i'll be selecting any player that has GS 9 for that weeks match. This means that i'll get to use other players than the current 17 who are on the roster, and that will mean that some might see their own player removed from the NT for that week.

This will also give me a good idea of what some players can do, who weren't selected into the NT. The goal is to make give those people, who might have a futur star for the NT a boost, aswel as to play games with teams that have the best possible GS. that way, i'll be able to find out how well our team can preform in other tactics, mainly in situations where the match-up on some positions ( like the SF position) isn't in our favor ( example: we play inside, while opponent goes outside, or we go outside when opponent goes inside)

some players didn't have very good GS this season ( i'm thinking about our Point Guards, who weren't in good shape when the Centres where ready to go inside, or the Centres weren't in good shape when the PG's were in shape)

Due to GS combinations, i was forced to play outside for the better part of the season, and i'd like to use some other players, so other tactics. their are a few names who will be back for the NT next season ( Gilmont, De Patoul, Reyngoudt, Luyckx, Van Gent, Dorchain, ...) but their are other players who i couldn't use this season, and i'd like to find out their value and compare them with other players, before i start next seasons consolation tourney.

and just to be able to give everyone a fair shot, if you'r player is GS 9, then he'll have a chance in playing the NT game of that week. i want to motivate people to have that GS 9, to show them that maintaining their Gs at a high lvl is rewarding. (i know you can't keep it at lvl 9 all the time, but neverhteless, you should try and keep it at tat lvl as much as possible)

Revo

ps: the teams roster could change alot each week, and i'm making a list of key players for next seasons NT already. My goal is to select the best of the best, and get into the final round of the consolation trouney with the best possible team that we have. having a C with IS 17, ID 17 , RB 17 and SB 17, but who's Gs can't be managed, isn't usefull for the NT. So this is a chance for everyone to prove that they can manage the GS of their player during a longer periode. i'll be keeping a little chart with the name of each player that i think could make the NT at some point, and i'll be writing down their GS weekly to see how their manager can't manage their minutes. this will influence the final decision in the event that i've got 2 players with the same skills set, but where their is only 1 spot left on the team. Thiswon't influence the core players, but it will have an inpact on those players who aren't usually starters. i want to have the best possible team next season, and i'll need to keep in mind wheither the manager can manage the GS or not.

You can only ask them that their players play between 60 and 74 min per week.

which is asking them to bring water to the sea, or to seek a needle in a straw-heap...

any player playing 50 minutes each week has more chance to have a higher GS then a player playing 74 minutes each week.

My trainees for example who play exactly 48 for at least 4 or 5 weeks in a row now, are mostly at GS9

And I take my theory for over many seasons that players with more then 45 minutes are good enough for GS. I've had more bad experiences with players who had over 70 minutes, then with players who just passed 40 minutes...
I guess it's everyones personal experiences he has on this matte, but rest asured 48 IS enough, so to be safe you can ask for 50 minutes, but asking for more is just forcing peiople to do unnessecary stuff.
The benefit of 65 minutes is that his experience is likely to get up faster then with 50 minutes... So i'd ask for 50 to 65 minutes instead, that (in my experience) is the best amount for a good GS.

hm, yes, I see what you mean. A NT player will be played more by his coach.

true, when a manager has less players, the players get more minutes on average. Which is ok.

The only thing I wanted to point out was that asking a minimum of 60 minutes is not needed. If the manager chooses so himself, ok, but if the manager chooses for 50 minutes, he should have that option, as it is enough for the GS.

Seeing NT player's manager like them on the field a lot, it might be best to ask them to stay between 50 and 75 then...

The broader margin you give a manager, the more likely the cooperation will be good, and he will take the advise in mind.

Over the past 9 seasons my players average between 45 and 55 minutes per week. My GS was always comparable to that of others, and always high enough to stay in the top area in the BBBL, even with lower waged players. If this still can't convince managers 50 minutes truely is enough to keep your players in top shape, I don't know what is.

In the end, the NT manager has to decide what to ask. But rest asured I will not be giving my SF a minimum of 60 minutes each week. If that is the reason why my SF will not be sel;ected in the NT when he will be ready, I will gladly send his GS each week to the NT manager to show his GS is as good as the GS of his selected players.
(and finally probably start training a youngster of a country with a manager who thinks 50 is enough. ;þ )

I must stand by with LoD because in my expreriance I've got the same thing I let my trainees play for 48 mins the past 2 seasons and they're GS was always strong to But on the other hand this Season is a BIG MESS with my minutes and stil they keep GS 8 even when they play 84 mins(maybe that's because I've got a good season this time :D)

Hi,

To be honest, people shouldnt listen to what the NT managers tell them, at least I dont. Its in your own best intrest to have a good GS. The amount of minutes are important but the difference between 48 and 70 aint that big as the size of the discussion you guys are having about it.

NT managers contact you and tell you how you should train your players, how many minutes they should play, etc. I dont really mind the insight of another manager, in fact I really appreciate it, but I think Im experienced enough to know how I want to train MY player.

Problem is, some people dont know whats best for their team. Letting a player get in bad shape just to be able to win one more game just isnt the right decision (at least not in 9 out of the 10 cases). Giving the player a good training and a good GS is in your own best intrest.

So its just up to NT managers to select players from managers of whom they know they are able to get a good GS. Dont try to tell a manager from 4th division (with all due respect) with a 100k salary C how he should manage his minutes and player because he wont understand the reason behind it.

In the end, GS is the most important thing about this game. And too many people dont know that. BB isnt about salary, its about GS (as LoD says). Just as it isnt about having 17 JS 9 OD guards but more about having 14 JS 14 OD with a GS of 8-9.

Greetings,

Kwyjibo

Hi,

To be honest, people [shouldnt listen to what the NT managers tell them, at least I dont. Its in your own best intrest to have a good GS. The amount of minutes are important but the difference between 48 and 70 aint that big as the size of the discussion you guys are having about it.

NT managers contact you and tell you how you should train your players, how many minutes they should play, etc. I dont really mind the insight of another manager, in fact I really appreciate it, but I think Im experienced enough to know how I want to train MY player.

Problem is, some people dont know whats best for their team. Letting a player get in bad shape just to be able to win one more game just isnt the right decision (at least not in 9 out of the 10 cases). Giving the player a good training and a good GS is in your own best intrest.

So its just up to NT managers to select players from managers of whom they know they are able to get a good GS. Dont try to tell a manager from 4th division (with all due respect) with a 100k salary C how he should manage his minutes and player because he wont understand the reason behind it.

In the end, GS is the most important thing about this game. And too many people dont know that. BB isnt about salary, its about GS (as LoD says). Just as it isnt about having 17 JS 9 OD guards but more about having 14 JS 14 OD with a GS of 8-9.

Greetings,

Kwyjibo

i agree with most off the stuff in the post, except for one thing: people should listen to the NT coach, if he has something valuable to say. in small community's, being a NT coach is often pure luck cause you got 1 or 2 votes. however, if you've got 50 or more people voting, then the winner of that election should be rather competent to know what he is doing.

Also, i haven't got much experience with training of PG's. done SG's, PF's, SF and will be doing some C's shortly, but i haven't got any own experience with training of PG's. that why, in a NT team ( and especially in the U21) you need managers helping others who know how to train that position.

the big difference between a NT manager and U21 = NT has trained players, he needs to be a good analyst and know his tactics well. a U21 manager needs to be an advisor in training more than anything, cause the NT depends 100% from what the U21 can offer ( ok 98%, since SF's usually aren't at a good lvl till they reach the age of 23, but for PG, SG, PF's and C's, i depend for 100% of Sum)

i know that what NT managers ask from their players is often very difficult to meet. But they need to ask it, to try and have the best possible team for their country. i don't insist on training someone if the manager doesn't want to... all he needs to tell me is, i don't want to, and that's final for me.

Rev

I think I used the wrong word. I should have said "People dont have to listen to the NT manager" ...

What I meant to say is, all the advise you get from the NT is very usefull but sometimes NT managers think that a player is owned by the NT instead of the club. The clubs pay the salary and the small amount of merchandise you get due to the NT players isnt much compared to the salary. NT managers should depend on favors, it might sound selfish but its true though. NT managers depend on the goodwill of the club managers.

Kwyjibo