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Some people here must be playing a different game.

The problem is very simple.

There are several offences which work well, in my opionion in this order: LI, Motion, R&G and Base.

Base is the most balanced so it's natural counter is man to man unless it is a very unbalanced team playng it.

Motion and R&G are outside focussed offences and they have counters. The 3-2 and 1-3-1 zones both work well.

The problem is that while there are at least four offences that work (2 outside, 1 balanced and 1 inside) there are only three defences that work (again in my opoinion of order man to man, 3-2 and 1-3-1 {and 1-3-1 only works against very specific types of teams}). None of them are designed to stop an inside attack. This is the problem.

Can you imagine Phil Jackson saying one week, "We are up against a strong outside attack so we will focus our efforts on the perimeter and deny their outside shooting with a 1-3-1 zone."

Then next week Phil gathers the players, "Well we are up against an inside attack so there is nothing we can do, lets just look inside ourselves and try to score more."

Ridiculous.

So the obvious and simple solutions are:

1) Fix the 2-3 zone which is supposed to stop an inside attack but which doesn't because it is the fault of the managers because they don't have the right players with at least wondrous OD, ID and SB.

2) If they are determined to keep the 2-3 zone useless because it is the fault of the managers that we don't all train players just so that they can play in a 2-3 zone then introduce a new tactic that does slow down inside attacks. As I have already said something like "Double Down" which happens all the time in real basketball where a guard doubles the post player preventing them making any sort of move and forcing them to shoot a very contested shot or pass the ball back out.

As I know some people are still trying to argue 2-3 is a choice. Nothing needs to be fixed.

Gotta love your "strategy" in the final series.

You go LI man vs LI man, you win.

Then for some strange reason you go LI 3-2 vs LI man.

If you call that "strategy", it no surprise the lions share of deciding games are LI vs LI.

Buzzerbeater is becoming "Guy drives on my guy, hope not to get a foul, I drive on guy, hope for bucket or foul."

The second game was supposed to be an intentional loss game -_- .

I'm quite sure that something will change. Probably LI is not going to be as effective as it is, because ID will count more than it actually is. Or probably SB will be the key to stop LI. Or probably outside offenses will be more effective. I don't know that, but the GM-s definitely understand that something must be changed and they have a lot of alternatives. Let's see which one they will choose :)

Motion win against LI in a decisive final match (39325931).

Well I'm sure there have been enough attempts to stop Look Inside using different defensive strategies provided at the moment. But with the current defense, apparently there is no "absolute" tactic (whether there is an absolute tactic is another question) to defend Look Inside well.
In any defense (and offense for that matter), something has got to give out, and it's a matter of minimizing whatever that has to be given out. And apparently Look Inside is one of the more effective tactics that allows maximum damage to the opponent's defense (in another words, opponent has a hard time trying to minimize the thing that has to be given out from their defense).

I suppose the problem lies in the question of this thread itself...

A well played 2-3 zone can stop a LI.

The thing is there are not many teams who can play en effective 2-3 but there are many who can run an effective inside offense.

I would change some words;

The thing is there are not many teams who can play an effective 2-3, but there are many who can run a 3-2 with so great performance and without the need to have special players.

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Motion win against LI Away:)
30 Rebounds less:)

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Motion win against LI Away:)
30 Rebounds less:)

I beat you. I win away with princeton against LI and I catch 34 Rbs less (only 2 OR against 23) :D

You don't. The first who post wins :)
btw, great win! Both of you.

Last edited by Onisifor at 10/29/2011 9:32:36 PM