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Another approach: All teams that dont reach the playoffs are in danger to get demoted.

5th place plays vs. 8th place, 6th plays vs. 7th - best of five, so you have as many games as the playoff teams. Income liike in league games.

Double TV and merchandise income and add a 75% markup on arena income for the playoff teams for the duration of the playoffs.

I don't really agree with this idea, it's fair that if you finish 5th you don't play any series of relegation, but it's not fair the income you get.

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Going back to the topic I really liked the idea of Jonidas, changing the income of the play-off match and doing it like the Cup, this would encourage the teams to try to win the match even if they play away.

Someone could argue that this gives an advantatge to the teams playing in home, but take a look on the leagues, most of the times the teams ending in 3rd position or 4th doesn't try to win their play-off game because before they already have sold their players to make a little stand by during play-off and sometimes they win more money in the weekly income than the first or the second.

If you get eliminated of play-off you wouldn't pay salaries but on the other side wouldn't receive incomes from TV&shop

PS: Thanks to all of you who are supporting this sugestion :)



Last edited by Marot at 1/14/2012 10:20:51 AM

it's fair that if you finish 5th you don't play any series of relegation, but it's not fair the income you get.

Problem is nobody really knows how much money you win/lose (compared to fourth place) from finishing fifth.

In my opinion every team should pay salaries all the time, even in offseason and if no competitive games are scheduled. However those teams that are successful should get rewarded.

If teams eliminated from the playoffs will have to pay no salaries the best strategy would be to go for the fourth place and dismantle your roster before the playoffs to get income from one playoff game (that will be lost anyway in most cases, as 4th seed rarely beats 1st seed), higher fan survey results for the next season and more money from player transfers just before the playoffs.

I dont see any sense in such a change, we need to think big.

Hi

After some seasons seeing how the teams ending in 5th position receives more money than they should i think it's time to fix this change that was suggested on the past here on this forum.

I doubt it's good for the competition to see how a team in the middle of the season that is fighting for the 2on or 3rd position on his conference sells 3/4 of his team, have a good income x week and ends in five position so in play-off he can keep earning lot of money.

It's hard to find one game that encourages the managers to lose matchs, every season i see lot of managers that instead of fighting on play-off they prefer to finish on the five position because it's better for their economy, but this it's not only a fight for the 5th position, the teams ending in 3rd or 4th position they also start to sell his team before play-off so they are also able to earn a good income during the play-off weeks. I'm not joking when i say that during this last seasons i saw hard races between the teams trying to end the 5th.

BB's introduced this change to create an equilibrium between the managers playing on play-off and the others that weren't, but this change is seriously hurting the health of the competition, every season we see more managers doing stand by's and the rating effect of the last season performance it's not enough, season after season we see a poor competition in play-off.

I remember my first seasons, all the managers were excited to play in the play-off even if they finished in fourth position, all of them tried to play their best for play-off, but now the play-off it's a pretty boring time, only 2-3 teams try to fight for the championship and the other ones sold their players to earn money


- It would be more fair that if you don't pay salaries you also don't receive money from TV contract&shop.
- Also the minimum of salary for the teams should be dramatically increased to avoid stand by's 3-4 weeks before the play-off.


PD: Once upon a time we had a real competition, where the managers were really worried to win all the matchs they could, but now it seems that we are only worried to win more money than the others and this is doing that lot of managers start to be bored of this game.

I invite all of you to suggest different formulas about the incomes in play-off, i'm pretty sure that we can suggest to the BB's a good change to stop encouraging the teams to lose matchs&earn money.

+1

@Mel

Thank you man ¡

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Btw, some opinion from a BB would be appreciated for many managers.

Are you thinking to introduce any change on the play-off incomes or this is not a priority? (or still surprised many managers are hoping for a change in this issue)?

This is definitely a serious problem.

Here are my ideas.

- Have a playoff TV Contract that is double the original and you only get this if you are in a playoff game that week.

- Have Ticket Prices double during the playoffs for playoff teams to increase the revenue. (higher price would not affect attendance)

- Teams could also receive a little boost to merchandising while in the playoffs (better with each round). This could gradually decline through the next season and perhaps normalize near the half way point of the following season.

In general i agree with the idea.

I think lot of people agree with the idea to make a high increase of the play-off incomes. There are different ways to do it, like a Cup system income or increasing the TV contract(since it's more important a play-off game) or if not giving more importance to the performance of the last season.


The game needs a change in this aspect, I hope for a change for next season, or least something to start changing this stand by's dynamic before the play-off.

Last edited by Marot at 1/19/2012 4:59:14 PM

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2 teams facing each other and playing for the 5th position, both of them did walk-over.

I'm sure it's not the only example we had today.

I don´t understand why the win is for the visitor team¿? I thought that if there is a double wo the home team wins.

As already suggested, some of that vague money (that is mainly due to arena fullness) needs to become a price money.
It will not change the outcome of the game (same money will be won upon place), but it will just make it clearer.

This game is going downhill, sadly.

From 1 year on BB is stuck, with nothing new and what´s worse...without expectations of something new.

We´re aware of we need some changes, but it´s not happening a thing, less than 50K users again, the market is full of cheats (as usual but cheats anyway), and having some issues that make this game really short therm.

Or we change or we die, no more.

Things to change:

*WO should be hardly punished, and playing with 5 bad players and even less than 5 players should be a shock for the incomes, could you imagine Lakers or Celtis playing with 3-4 players and 2 lucky fans an NBA match? LOL!!!!!!!!! Not serious, not fun.

* To get this we should change something about cup matches, no one can play 3 games per week in a reliable way; so, you´re forced to shorter your roster and throw some (or a lot) games during the season. 50% of the minutes played in cup matches to be added to the weekly minutes? It could be an option...I don´t really know, but we need ideas.

*Minimum salary should be at least the double, it´s nor serious allowing re-construction of fanchises with no players, no salaries and huge earning per week, and the funniest thing is that if u lose a game for 2-5 points your fans react in the same way that if you lose by 60, insane!

*I saw another games which calculate an avarege of good players used to calculte the happiness of your sponsors and fanas (see Pro Cycling Manager 2011).

*Play Offs are currently a joke, no one wants to play if you can´t promote or win a tilte, why am I gonna play if I will lose loads of money? This is killing top leagues, and we won´t change, or I can´t see any wind of change.
1-should be the best position.
2-should be the second best position.
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4-and PO should be much better than 5.
5-should be much better than 6.
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8-should be like it´s being right now, a cataclysm.

Example:
*In I spanish division if you are 5th you will earn for 2 weeks --> Tv+merchandising-staff = 250K per week, 500K per PO.

*If you´re 4th and you lose in first round:
TV+merchandising+1/3 tickets - salaries-staff = -400K aprox. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! +250K (the week you don´t play) = -150K, the difference is -650K comparing 5th against 4th.

*If you win and you lose in second round:
TV+merchandising+2/3 tickets - salaries-staff = -220K aprox. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! + 250K (the week you don´t play) = 30K, the difference is -470K comparing the conference finalist vs 5th.

*If you play the final in 3 games maximum:
2x(TV+merchandising)+6/3 tickets - 2x(salaries-staff)= 80K!!!!! 30K, the difference is -420K comparing the league finalist vs 5th.

INSANE!!!! This is killing us, this is killing BB.

Of course this makes that most of 3th and 4th of each confence try to sell loads of players to save money with salaries and the impact in the league is so powerful, PO are really ridiculous.

Conclusion: if you can do a stand by without relegation you´ll be powerful next years. So do it and make this still more harmful.

Regards :)

PS: sorry if this post is without structure, it´s full of thinkings I have and written without any care :D








Last edited by Mr.Mac at 1/23/2012 12:35:17 PM