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No, he's too difficult to train. He looks quite good, but he's rubbish in EBBL terms, and if trained probably no more than a mid-level II league player.
Sorry.
Eminence, that is the kind of response that stops you being a great u21 manager.

Not everyone can play in the EBBL and using your own imperfect trainee can save a lot of money vs picking up a true top level prospect on the TL, for example my player George Gunn started with skills pretty much exactly(I think he had higher IS) like that and he is well on his way to being a very solid PF in 2-3 more seasons.

I know full well he's not a NT or U21 prospect, but that doesn't mean he's not worth training.

you are right, every player is trainable. but do we really need to advice players on these forums how to train fringe div II or lower league players?

If they ask, then yes I believe so. Expanding everyone's knowledge on training can only help us in the long run.

sorry i disagree here. this kind off player will help no team progress to a championship in a div II or promotion to a top league. in this case the coach should be adviced to look for, buy and train a better trainee... and I am not saying this from a NT coach point off view.

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/12/2012 1:20:49 PM

You're not expanding people's knowledge, you are limiting it by letting them believe a few decent primary skills and adecent potential rating are all they need.

You need 5 in at least 2 of JR, OD, and Passing plus at least 5 in IS, ID and rebounding (and I'd say shotblocking) in a 6'9" or taller PF trainee if they're going to make the most of their superstar potential and have the skills necessary to start and compete at a high level.

And frankly, the EBBL is not so good that it's unattainable to new players. Anyone can get there if they're good enough, as Hadron has proved. If English clubs aren't aiming for the EBBL, what's the point of playing?

If it's to train an NT player, then the need for selecting the right better trainee with the right starting stats is even more important, not less so.

There is exactly one player on the transfer list who meets your requirements(Hof potential, 1.5M+...) And that's fairly soon after the draft. And he's obviously not English...

i dont disagree with the comments here, but from the perspective of a div III team i could see why a manager would want to train him having got him in the draft. And if it takes him three seasons to get to division II by building up his team/arena around someone like this they will still be a useful player even then.

something else that factors into my view point is the premium many 18 year olds seem to go for when they have a high potential and a few respectables. So to a fairly new team it is quite a commitment to save up to get one of these guy (or two or three) when you also want to build arena, hire better staff, buy already trained players!

also - and this is just for managers who really want to train just english guys - the pool of what is out there and at the prices being listed, sometimes you just wont get good looking draftee at 18, or 19 or +.

i think its ok for u21/nt staff to advise managers on the development of their players as long as they are not giving false hopes. its up to the manager to decide who he wants to train and if he can find better on the transfer list.

theres been a lot of talk of a hypotetical big guy starting skillset that could be overlooked and so affordable - but even though these skills requirements are modest (lots of mediocres etc) big guys just seem to generally start out with some crappy outside skills.

having said all this - if this manager wants to be an ace trainer of english players and is prepared to do what it takes to learn and build one, then i would suggest he waits, saves up, and buy a particular build of player to suit inside/outside training

oh im not sure id go to the trouble of training him as a power forward though no matter what division im in! A centre perhaps

having said how rare these big guys are with some decent outside skills, this is interesting:

206cms
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: mediocre Passing: inept
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: atrocious
Experience: atrocious

Same potential (superstar) but i would rather train him even though a couple of his big skills are awful. He could be triple respectable with his big skills by the time he hits 19.
HAving said that, why not spend a season training him in guard skills? get them to where you want them to be then nail the inside skills till his head pops

Last edited by Fluff at 2/12/2012 5:14:14 PM

this is for fluff and for eminence both.

i lost the longer message was writing and dont want to retype it. Noone is talking about the ultimate trainee with respectable skills. Elmecca is talking about superstar potential with minimum level 5 in some skills. level 5 is mediocre when I am correct and not respectable. these players do not cost 1.5 or 1.7 million.

but i think it is worrying and is that what you tried to say or something along these lines, elmecca?? (pls correct me when I am wrong) when you cant see the difference between these 2 trainees. as one making sence to buy him (i can guarantee you he doesnt cost alot) and train him and the other one doesnt make any sense to train or buy him.

this is the guy that makes no sense to train him

Alex Whelan (24033646) Power Forward


Weekly salary: $ 3 283
Role: draws a paycheck
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 8800
Age: 18
Height: 6'11" / 211 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: awful Handling: mediocre
Driving: pitiful Passing: average
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: atrocious


and this guy is worth it being trained

Darren Abu-Orf (24034699) Point Guard

Weekly salary: $ 3 754
Role: draws a paycheck
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 0
Age: 18
Height: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: atrocious Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: awful

Experience: atrocious

at the first eye there isnt a big difference between these 2 players, but the poor OD and ID for the one and the average level on both these skills for the other, make for me a HUGE difference. And the second player, to buy him, you really dont need to break the bank... DV and JS are easily trainable and correctable, ID and OD arent.

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/12/2012 5:49:32 PM