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I think its hard to compare across divisions and nations, Surely 2.4 Blocks in D1 is not the equivalent of 2.4 blocks in D4 or D3 or even D2 for that matter, By comparison my SF who i train out of position playing at PG mostly, avgs 2.4 blocks a game in USA D.3.
I dont think you train SB just to get blocks, IMO its just another number to help aid in the calculation of him stopping something, helps on every shot type and all situations..why wouldnt I try to exploit this obvious lack of SB in the world.

If your going with my reasoning and your big has higher SB then Reb and is still top 4 country wise in REB stats then I think that reinforces the idea that SB will help make up for that lost REB/Make what you have far better.

I think the breakdown is that if you take a guy with high IS/REB/ID/SB he will be pretty astronomical on the salary scale, you have to save somewhere in order to prop up elsewhere, Id assume thats why most people dont train SB, they want the guy to rebound, where I would rather ride my Defense and hope for a team effort in rebounding

Surely 2.4 Blocks in D1 is not the equivalent of 2.4 blocks in D4 or D3 or even D2 for that matter,

Isn't it the same for RB? I'm not talking about SB in a vacuum, I'm talking RB vs SB and how relatively high levels of both produce different kind of results compared to other players.

Basically I'm saying thaat 14 RB might be more effective in getting good rbds/game numbers than 14 SB will get you blocks/game

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/7/2016 3:42:53 AM

Yes, that is true. I however dont think that the impact of SB can be measured solely in blocks on the stat sheet. I think it helps the player play defense period, defend shots and not foul.

I dont take part in the forum discussion much, so forgive me if i have missed your previous analysis. For me i have gone SB > ID mostly to see what it can do as it is a vastly unused skill, and I have enjoyed my results so far. If Marin has confirmed that SB = ID is best practice why is this not public knowledge and why are peoples views on SB so jaded?? I would bet 95% of managers dont ever train SB.

The only part i have a hard time believing is that the Game Engine is that in depth. Personally, I think it is much simpler then they want us to believe, Theres only a few Skill's, Its basketball and has 1 clear way to win. Being someone who dabbles in creating simulations for fun I just dont see any real depth to the engine outside of, pick who shoots, > is he better then defender > x chance to make it > result > next play.

Haek is a very interesting player, Id like to create a guy with 20s in OD/ID/SB just to see how he plays.
What are his defensive splits?

Well, there is the fact that SB trains much faster so it makes sense to do that before ID, but yeah I agree that ID=SB works best on big men, I did follow the discussions and went that way too.

I'm not convinced about SB on guards though, but I suppose the whole premise here was that it might help on the driving opponents in LI. If that's the case though, it would be cheaper and easier to run zone defenses (with high SB on the bigs) like some managers have tried in the past. It surely is a lot easier than having both guards and SF with high SB. And let's be honest: Mordor's Chaperon had 20 IS and no matter how much you train SB, you will never have anywhere near 20 SB on a guard.

I've been training almost all my seasons in the game(plus all the seasons in Utopia).
This season is the first ever i gave JR training.
I was SHOCKED to see my 24y old, 6'7" trainee, getting THREE pop ups in FOUR JR sessions, with two OD sessions in between.
That is a confirmed >0,50 in JR, per session, at 24y and at SF height!!!!!

If it's way behind the other skills, it can be quick. The elastic effect appears very heavy on JR - I have a level 6 trainer and my 20 year old 6'1" guy took 5 weeks of full training to go from 16 to 17 JR.