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The other thing is that, at the end, we're talking maybe the difference of a couple of weeks of training over the course of many seasons. If you're looking to completely maximize a player's ability, of course, going to that level of detail may be necessary, but if you're building to a specific target or even just a general profile, it might just be best to go ahead and train the player to get to the skills you need in a manner that makes him most helpful (i.e., instead of trying to min/max elastic effect, maybe train him in an out of position skill in a week where you have easy or unwinnable league games, and in his most natural position if that week it may mean the difference between a win and a loss).

I can't agree more, though, with you and Lemon that you don't want to end up not being able to reach the levels you want in the skills you find important because you were too focused on 'efficiency' and the skills you got to speed up his training ate a bit too much potential. That shouldn't be an issue for a well-managed, intelligent training plan, but for dopes like me who trained three seasons of JR, then a ton of SB, and are now bumping into cap range trying to get some OD, it may present an issue. (Of course, in my case it's just the slowness of training at their age now, not cap issues yet, but I've already had to scale my target OD down even if speed weren't an issue).

So one of players I'm training have 11 HA, 12 DR. Should I stop training him in 1on1 guards because you said it will slow down training of HA/DR since his OD is 3?

What is his potential? What is your plan for him?

As a rule of thumb, 1v1 is so fast that for it to be slower than other skills (say JR), most of the times and the real benefit is that, of course, it does set up the elastic on every other outside skill and you can train 6 players instead of 3.

In any case even with very low ID your player should train faster in OD than in 1v1 now, so if you have only 3 trainees I'd give them some OD too.


There is another insidious thing to account for when looking at 1v1 training, especially for guards.
1) HA elastics are not the same as DR elastics. HA depends on OD and DR, DR depends on JS and HA
2) 1v1 trains JS but not OD (HA trains OD as secondary but it's a one-position training)
3) This means that training 1v1 always results in more DR than HA training in the long run, both due to the baseline speed and the fact that DR benefits from the elastic effect from JS growing, while HA does not and the lower OD is to begin with the more the difference due to training will be

Last edited by Lemonshine at 7/21/2017 11:46:42 AM

His potential is 7 (PAS) and I want to make him balanced. But the only problem is, I have a 18 MVP USA trainee who is far behind on HA/DR

Personally I'd stop training 1v1 or do some sessions only when you need to have the flexibility or when there are only 2 games in a week (ASG and last week) and go for OD now. Even without doing any extra training HA and DR will both reach 14 from secondary training probably.

However because that MVP 19yo is your own draftee, I'd prioritise him unless his skills are quite bad. In this case you may want to train 1v1F for the rest of the season. This would mean that you'll have to be careful with the PAS in the future because his HA/DR are too high and count towards the cap. The alternative would be to sell the PAS and get an equivalent trainee who fits better with your main trainee (if you decide that the American MVP is your main guy)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 7/21/2017 12:27:34 PM

I'm so sorry I turned this elastic effect thread into a training advice thread. But here are the players.

http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/r2vtd4yzlvy3l7qgw338admmhb...
http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/c3k72b6wsv0t705kfpjp2fzlqm...
http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/gv0szex4qqso8zkj3pyo3u1pfq...

Last edited by Manon at 7/22/2017 2:16:19 AM

Yeah, I have a lot of 18-19's year olds on my team who need training.