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The nations with say 100-150 users will get hurt the most (not sure if they are classed as small or mid sized), because they currently have all III drafts and will lose most of them, and I'm not sure they get many draftees from Utopia. For example Finland NT currently has 8 out of 18 players who wouldn't exist in the new system. England would lose 6 or 7 players out of 16.

I agree releasing all bot draftees would completely tank the market, and I understand NT is given a lower priority compared to individual teams when it comes to changes. But I think what Marin says makes sense, where it may be beneficial to release some top-end draftees depending how this plays out in reality.

Sure we would lose some players because we can't draft them from leagues let's say III.9 to III.16 so half of the leagues. And our NT rankings are quite high so probably we would lose in Utopia too. That being said we would basically get everyone good harvested from III.1 to III.8 drafts or at least have better chance to not lose anyone to bots. My estimation would be that we lose 4 hall of famers per season from the bot leagues and get 2 extras from the human leagues so -2 prospects for us.

Also Utopia has given us around 2 hall of famers every season which isn't YET visible change in NT roster. If this was lowered to 1, I don't think it would affect NT in the long run a lot. And some bigger countries won't even need that one every season. So this would mean -1 prospect for us from the current situation but +1 what it used to be before dual nationalities.

Furthermore, the buff to 19yo starting skills isn't visible in the NT scene either. That will also in the future help us average sized countries since they will be more viable to train. There isn't many of these players that have good enough skills to be viable to train but there has been at least few that have potential. So let's say +2 prospects, could be more if training 19yo becomes more common.

So we have kinda been already given the compensation for the reduction of the NT prospect pool. Compared to the current NT generation and how the game worked when they were drafted, we would actually have +1 potential NT player based on these estimations. Of course, this is very rough one and it varies a lot every season but this was an example. Sure compared to the current situation we would lose a bit but we have managed very well in the past with the NT prospect pools of the time and we would still have more of them after this change.

And even if we lose a bit as a country, overall I think there would be a lot more enjoyment starting the game as a new player which potentially leads to more active players and filling up more leagues, as well as enjoyment of older teams rebuilding in div 3.

Small price to pay what we get in return.

Why not auto sell the drafters'bot players at 0 price?
In this mode we don't lose good players or nt prospect...

We'll consider this as a valid solution, in case the talent pool reduces a lot. We might not release all draftees this way, maybe a smaller selection (as much as we determine is needed) based equally on skill and a random factor.

How about we give the NT coaches power to bring up draftees to the team and then put them on the market if they're on a bot team? The price can be fixed at 100x the salary of the player (or a multiplier of your choice). This could mitigate the potential lost prospects that this move will make

Thoughts?

After reading the mid-season announcement, I have some questions. (And by the way, it is strange that there is no discussion in BB Global (English) forum.)

1. Top league teams won't be affected, of course.
2. Most human teams will change their current league and move laterally to new leagues of the same division - but now they will play mostly human opponents!

"Top league teams" and "Most human teams" confuse me. Does team consolidation apply only on the last (highest number) division occupied by human teams?

3. To offset possible losses of income, we will match the promotion awards for all promoted teams - no matter whether they are playoff winners or just promoted due to available empty slots!

What if the team is not in the last (highest number) division occupied by human teams and is promoted due to available empty slots?

It will get the same promotion boost as if it won a championship.
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Starting when will this apply? Next season?

It will apply to all low (last) divisions, including Utopia?

Last edited by deanswer at 6/8/2022 9:37:10 AM

First official NT game is several days after the draft. So a NT could save any bot draftee anyway without being affected. Again, that would be the bigger nations that would benefit from this since they would have more players to save and more players worthy to pay salary x100 for potential MVP/HOF/Legendary when micronations could maybe save potential 8/9 for the same price.

We don't even know yet if there would be that many lost players to consolidation. And that change is made to motivate users to stay in BB by playing against more humans, thus increasing the number of teams, and thus increasing the number of draftees in the end.

NT and drafting are not working that way. An NT team manager can pick players from an inactive manager who is going to be botified soon, but it cannot select a player who is in a bot team from the beginning. A rookie drafted by a bot team is lost forever.

From the BB's side, you can actually collect the data and have a very accurate estimate of how many rookies will be lost according to the consolidation. Just go through all the draft pages from all bottom leagues in a country, and see how many among the top prospects are still in a human team. I might try to see what I can do with BBAPI this weekend.

(P.S. Sorry to GM-Perpete for the misunderstanding. The discussion went on quite a bite and I did not read every post...)

Last edited by Feizai Passing by at 6/8/2022 10:54:53 AM

Thank you Marin! I never expected a BB will reply. Achievement unlocked!

When playing an opponent, a meaningful part of the attendance is affected by the fans of that opponent - so it makes sense that playing human teams brings a higher attendance (and income) than playing bot teams. This difference, over time, might even grow if we determine that there is indeed a loss of income (on average).

Yes, it makes much more sense now, if not only the league champ bonus but also the "promotion aura" on the fan base is applied to the newly promoted teams.

This is true, but the effect might be overestimated. We might think of a way to offset this, I like the idea of keeping 4-6 bot teams per league.
Currently, in most bot-filled leagues, many top talents are lost to bots anyway, so I don't think the difference will be that big. I cannot estimate precisely though, we might need to just wait and see on this one, and apply changes on the fly if the draft pool is severely guttered - something I very much doubt.

Maybe there is some data you can collect from the BB side in order to estimate the discrepancy. Collect all the draft data from the bottom league, and see how many of them are currently in a human-controlled team right now.

I might try playing with BBAPI recently and see what I can do, but for a country of 100-150 players, I am anticipating ~20% loss on the high-end rookies coming from the bottom league. As a very rough estimation, if each league gives 0.5 18y HoF and 1 18y MVP on average, that means ~2.4 18y HoF and ~4.8 18y MVP loss. This is quite consistent to @atsii's estimation in this thread (314977.24).

That being said, it is great that BBs are willing to put bot-drafted rookies on the transfer market in case things go wrong. The "deus ex machina" solution is not optimal, but it should work.

3. Important updates like this should be announced at least a season before the rollout.

I agree with this too. There were some factors that made us decide to push this though. Things that may or may not happen in the short term, so we'd rather not elaborate yet.

Thank you. I understand that BB has a timeline for releasing the APP and some change in the dynamics is necessary. Maybe the team consolidation will cause some loss on my side, and maybe not, but I can understand.

Please keep up the work and the communications!

What if the team is not in the last (highest number) division occupied by human teams and is promoted due to available empty slots?

It will get the same promotion boost as if it won a championship.

So for this case, it is not related to offsetting possible losses of income caused by consolidation. Then why BB want to change it?