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I change it fairly often...currently Beige which I like a lot.

Beige?? Maybe my screen needs to be calibrated, but beige looks... terrible. The anti-grey.


Off-topic, please stop slowly ruining "The Friendly Confines" (Wrigley Field) with your construction, giant LCD advertising & such. Just move to the suburbs instead & make a generic ballpark. Since the majority of younger Cubs fans want a homogenized experience anyway. Thanks. (Come to think of it, not sure why they're even Cubs fans in the fist place. Chicago has 2 teams.. 1 that already operates the way they want, with even the type of ballpark they like.)

(Yes I realize that's a giant non-sequitur)

Yeah...not sure what your point was.

I think I agree?

Though, there were chunks of stone falling out of the upper deck a couple seasons ago...so some construction might be necessary. ;)

nothing to do with you really. just saw this:

3/2/2012 - Lovable Losers announces the completion of their recent expansion of The Friendly Confines.

reminds me of this: (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0114/espnchicago_r_cubs-a...)

& all the other changes in the works. wouldn't be surprised if Wrigley eventually loses landmark status like what happened to the monstrosity that is the new Soldier Field. (if allowed to go that far)

Anyway, assuming you're probably in your 20s, right? Well the general feeling I get from most cubs fans in their 20s & even 30s is, "do whatever as long as it brings in more revenue", "any & all cubs traditions are stupid", & "time to become like every other team". (not all in that age range, but the definite majority). Parroting what's said on the radio more or less. What is your personal mindset?



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wohnrURyKpY)

Last edited by shikago at 3/3/2012 5:13:05 AM

Being a long time Cardinal Fan I can only laugh at the Cubs....so many years so many excuses......

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I must be a bad person cuase I continue to enjoy the cubs misery.

Its kind of like watching a train wreck...you know its awful, you know the outcome, but you just can't help yourself....geez now that I think about it that's kind of like watching my team this season....stop the presses, EDH Cubs here we come.........naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah........

Anyway, assuming you're probably in your 20s, right? Well the general feeling I get from most cubs fans in their 20s & even 30s is, "do whatever as long as it brings in more revenue", "any & all cubs traditions are stupid", & "time to become like every other team". (not all in that age range, but the definite majority). Parroting what's said on the radio more or less. What is your personal mindset?

I am 24 years old...

"Do whatever as long as it brings in more revenue."

I love Wrigley Field...possibly more than I love the Cubs. In a perfect world, nothing about Wrigley would change. However, I am in support of keeping the place from falling down. So if renovations are needed to stop chunks of stone falling on my head in the lower deck, I'll support that. However, I am strongly against anything that blocks the rooftops, changes the CF scoreboard, or adds a large Video screen to Wrigley. What they are adding/changing in the RF area (LCD screen to display stats and scores, new party section) are things I'm not excited about, but also not too worried about.

"Any & all Cubs traditions are stupid."

This cannot possibly the attitude of any real Cubs fans...can it? I love the tale of the Goat, Ron Santo is my favorite Cub, and I can even get on board with "Go, Cubs, Go"...despite its cheesiness.

"Time to become like every other team."

What is this in reference to? I certainly don't want the stadium to be like every other stadium...or the game start times to be like any other start times...but I would love it if we started to value position players who get on base and pitchers who throw strikes.

Last edited by BFiddy at 3/3/2012 11:48:42 AM

Its kind of like watching a train wreck...you know its awful, you know the outcome, but you just can't help yourself...

haha, should have seen that coming. anyway..

The Cubs actually had at least 3 teams capable winning a world series in the past decade. 2003 (everyone remembers the Bartman game - 4 outs away from the world series), 2007 & 2008. But with the way the baseball playoffs are structured it's a complete crapshoot. literally. Go look at all the numbers & advanced metrics if you don't believe it. It's not like football or basketball where the better team will probably advance.

But not even getting into the minutia... Your Cardinals made the playoffs 6 times from 2000 through 2006. The 105 win team got swept in the World Series & the 100 win team lost 4 games to 1 in the NLCS. Yet the 2006 Cardinals (83-78) won it all...

2000 - 95 wins, lost in NLCS
2001 - 93 wins, lost in LDS
2002 - 97 wins, lost in NLCS
2004 - 105 wins, lost in WS (swept)
2005 - 100 wins, lost in NLCS (4 games to 1 IIRC?)
2006 - 83 wins, won World Series
(2007- 78 wins, losing record, not in playoffs.)

I also don't think the Cubs lose due to a lack of revenue

Yeah, money has been a complete non-factor. In 2010 the Cubs had the highest opening day payroll in the entire National League! & in 2009 spent even more than the Red Sox did...

but I think the Cubs truly do have an argument for the worst baseball franchise ever?

For large stretches of time, they're in the discussion. But not if you include their entire history. (16 NL pennants believe it or not) Here's something interesting on 10 worse franchises:(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218738-the-top-10-wors...) (neither the Cubs nor Sox made that list.)

Even between the 2 chicago teams, the White Sox are arguably just as bad. Only 6 AL pennants & they didn't win a post season series for 98 years. More recent (1980 on)... 5 playoff appearances for the Sox, 6 for the Cubs. & have to laugh at the Sox retiring Harold Baines' number in 1989!!! He kept playing until 2001(!) & got all of 4.8% support for the Hall-of-Fame his only year on the ballot.

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wow, i'm impressed! & thanks for replying.

(blah, browser crashed >_< )

I've noticed a growing push for things like more night games, jumbo tron, more advertising / new ballpark, & the flat out ridiculing of many things (even as far as bashing Ron Santo before his death... easy target i guess), etc... No real way of quantifying all that, but the few text polls & such I've seen were heavily trending that way in the last couple of years.

Even ignoring the above, things seem really different post 2003. Not in a good way either. (even saw an interview with Bill Murray where he unexpectedly starts talking about new cubs fans a few years back). Well I wrote too much over 3 posts, so will just end it here, lol.