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You need a player who at least can shoot and play D very well right? Especially when you know that for example your rival has a great G(This is what is happening to me) that you have to stop him to win. When for example you know that this player has 16JS what you gonna do? You have to try to find a player with at least 14OD, but those players usually have great shooting skills too. To buy that player you need at least 4.2M. So its not so easy as you are making it to look.

But you ARE one of teams that could be named as "rich". You are a First Div team who is 3rd in his conference. Therefore, you are probably making more money that most of the users in BB, if not, you probably have a very good roster.

My point is, when I read that you find expensive that kind of player I start thinking we have very large difference when understanding our role as managers.

Having 4.2m to get a new player should be something prepared. Should be the result of selling a player with a few seasons and training, probably some savings, the selling of an older player or a combination of those three. I'm trying to say that the game should be designed in order to make difficult to have that money. Because when you have it, you are about to make a very important decision.

On the other hand, I understand that you might be unconfortable with the idea of not being able to stop the superstar of , lets say, your rival so he is beating you in important games. What can you do? Try to put a defensive player on it or a regular defensive player in order to make difficult to blow you or assume he is going to beat you in that mathup. What should you do then? Create other matchups where you are going to bet him and pick that tactic which is going to distribute more shots towards those positions where you are going to win. That, based on others factors like Stamina, FT your capability to win the battle for the rebounds, your own skill to create high quality shots, etc. is what is going to lead you to victory.

This is something BBs have been trying to tell us for at least three seasons and I believe this was one of the major purposes behind the Josef Ka large post. In order to do that (picking the right tactics with the right players) you DO need a "balanced" if not versatile roster.


Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 1/17/2010 11:18:08 AM

That was my tactics last 5 years. This is how i am just the 2nd champion of CBBA. He was investing on his guards, i was investing on my big men. It worked very well until this season, when the GE changed. I cant any more count on my big men to win him, it failed. I need now to find those rear wing players that costs 2 much money, just to make the inside tactics to work well. In the meantime with not more that i have spend on my guards he was able to buy big men good enough to stop mine.

Having team % on FT 74.7% it doesnt scream that i have FT problem. My actually shoots 10% higher than him. In fact i am the best FT team in my league (from the 3-4 strong teams that we have at least) and i shoot way more FT's from them too. I also guarantee you that stamina its not an issue either. The players that are on my rotation on the crucial games have at least 6 on stamina.

I was checking your games from last 2 seasons. I wonder why you didnt use this season even 1 time inside tactics? Maybe you see the same that so many people sees?

Again its a fact that is much harder to built an inside offense, than an outside one.

I was checking your games from last 2 seasons. I wonder why you didnt use this season even 1 time inside tactics? Maybe you see the same that so many people sees?

Again its a fact that is much harder to built an inside offense, than an outside one.

With the money I got from my key C + savings from this season I'm planning to bring a 150k+ C to compete against Inside Strong tems like Mighty Avengers or Cs like David Tapia (465k). Since, my old C wasn't ready for it, I decided to sold it, save and later improve. That's why the amount of times I see an inside tactics being my best way to win has dramatically decreased. Not because I think inside tactics are weak.

I might agree that building a good inside offense is harder than an outside one. If I were to defend that, I would say that it is because most inside trainers think that trining big men means train IS, ID and RB while most of outside trainers think we need JS, JR, OD, DR, HN and PA at least. So it is very likely that outside managers have had an adventage with the last change not because outside tactics had suddenly become dominant, but because their training patters were much more "in flow" with the changes than the patters of most inside trainers.

I don't know how you train and how is composed your roster, but maybe if you start training a more broad set of skills for your Cs and PFs and/or realize that you need some passing in your guards (like most outside-minded coaches sees the importance of RB in their Cs and PFs) you might improve your team without needing 5m for a outside star (wich anyway, I would suggest you to have).

You can try to do that or come up with a better strategy or continue to focus in discussing something that doesn't seems very likely to change unless several seasons of different strategies of "inside development" proves it. Here you can discuss and show how you feel, but it is very likely that many of us will honestly tell you: Go and change the way you have been doing things until now. Adapt. Let's see what others managers are about to do and with that results, we might have this discussion again and see if the change made the outside tactics dominant or a change in the managers was need in order make the inside tactics work.

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 1/17/2010 12:10:28 PM

That was my tactics last 5 years. This is how i am just the 2nd champion of CBBA. He was investing on his guards, i was investing on my big men. It worked very well until this season, when the GE changed. I cant any more count on my big men to win him, it failed.

this season the GE didn't changed, you already have the new ge in your championship season ;)

That i have played LI only on the semifinals against a team that i had clearly superior big men. All the other PO games i played either RnG, either motion.

If you search the right combination of players and skillsets, the inside offense is still very effective. Unfortunately I still see many teams playing the tactic with oldskool players, that's not gonna help you.

This team f.e Dutch Pacers (38253) managed to make the required changes.

I have just checked every game played by this team this season and I haven't found a single one that supports your statement. On the other hand I found this (18109987).
Could you give me examples of games where its inside attack proved to be very effective?

It's lame to check his games of this season, since his keyplayer V.D Linde one of the best PFs in game is injured. Check last seasons games.

F.e Inside Away beats Outside Home (15672155)

(17554581) --> His OF is clearly dominated by the other teams OD, and he still manages to reach his bigman.

Another example where the opponents OD dominates his OF (17565610)

Playing against an outside team without offensive flow that also dominated his OF with a high OD (15672203)

He's playing inside most of the time, and still he's one of the best teams in the top division of Holland winning the cup twice in a row. It's not impossible.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/17/2010 5:45:01 PM

It's lame to check his games of this season, since his keyplayer V.D Linde one of the best PFs in game is injured. Check last seasons games.

F.e (17554581) --> His OF is clearly dominated by the other teams OD, and he still manages to reach his bigman.

Another example where the opponents OD dominates his OF (17565610)

He's playing inside most of the time, and still he's one of the best teams in the top division of Holland winning the cup twice in a row. It's not impossible.

sorry, but I don't follow you here. Both games are LI vs LI and in both he has the better ratings. And in each game played in the cup last season he was by far the best team on the court.

see the edit, since I knew you were gonna say this (although he still is a dominating inside team, so again it's possible). Also this are my last words at the subject, as I said before believe what you want to believe, just repeating myself isn't gonna help anyone anywhere.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/17/2010 5:48:34 PM

If your best center was born with OD 7 or PA 6, that is something you can build a strategy on. On this level Buzzerbeater is a much richer game tactically than some voices in this thread seem to believe.

Agreed. Choosing your trainees and training them to become the players you want them to be is the part where BB really rules :)

Also this are my last words at the subject, as I said before believe what you want to believe, just repeating myself isn't gonna help anyone anywhere.

while I still believe that an outside focused team is easier to build, I am also trying to understand how to make the best use of LI.
For example, this team seems not care about OF at all and is still highly competitive. He did not have many tight games played lately, but a couple of them are quite interesting, for example this one (17975123). The key for him seems to be the dominant PF, one of the best in the game.

Last edited by Newton07 at 1/18/2010 4:35:38 AM