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Are you refering to the last cup game? You do know that if you set a really lousy player as a starter and a great player at the substitute spot, their spots might be changed by the coach? Or if the substitute is somewhat better than the starter he will enter the game sooner, from the bench.
So to avoid these switches you must set your great players at the reserve spot or set the guy you want to play for all starter, sub, reserve spot. Thus giving the great players small amount of minutes or only blowout time.

Last edited by Kukoc at 4/9/2010 12:15:55 AM

First time this has happened. I double checked to make sure I had submitted the correct lineup by going to my next match and using the same orders as this match- with Starters, backups and strictly follow depth chart.

The game engine switched my starting PF (Kiulkis) and C (Mancera) for my backups (Potapowicz and Magnan) before the game started so that the "S" appeared for the would-be backups who ended up starting the match and playing quite a few minutes. As I said, I just checked the orders and they were submitted correctly. Please advise...


So, here is the link.

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Thank you for your time in reviewing this issue.

-NS



Last edited by NS at 4/17/2010 9:55:33 PM

This happens when you use very different quality players.
If you want to use crappy players at starter position, you must put your great backups at reserve spot. So crappy player starter+sub spot and great player at reserve spot.
GL.
Edit: BTW I have explained this about 100 times:) Also the same situation is explained one post before your post. So it would be adviseable to read posts before posting.

Last edited by Kukoc at 4/18/2010 4:11:08 AM

Im sorry but I agree with what you are saying but do not think it is applicable to this situation.

Here is what happened. I liked up 5 players to start the game, 5 different players as backups, and 2 different players as the reserves. So regardless of how good each player is they should begin the game in those positions (or else there is a fundamental flaw in the way the line up system works - which i do not believe to be the case). Now AFTER the game starts, I understand the coach can put players where ever according to skill level, etc.
HOWEVER, two players who were listed as backups in the "Set Orders" page were listed as Starters in the game - which IS in my opinion a bug.
Again, if the game had started and these players had come off the bench I would not be posting this, but as they were listed as BACKUPS on the "Set Orders" and then miraculously became starters, here I am.

Even if this has been posted about before it apparently has not been resolved so please do not disregard me as this is something that has never happened to my team and should never happen especially with "Strictly Follow Depth Chart. Or perhaps someone else aside from you should look into this. I do not mean to be rude, at the same time do not want to be treated as such.

Again thank you for your time,

-NS

Last edited by NS at 4/18/2010 1:13:35 PM

I encountered this problem in my first season. You can call it "coach still wants to win games".
So let me explain this again to you. If you have set a starter that is really badly skilled compared to you sub then the spots will be changed before the game starts. If your starter is moderately weaker than your sub then they will play around even minutes in game. If you want to avoid coach subbing players before they even get to the floor. Make sure you assign your supermen into reserve spot. Setting starter+sub for the crappy player and great player at reserve spot will net you about the minutes you would actually get with similar players at starter and sub spot.
I am a bit surprised that a manager who has played for so many seasons has not seen this happen before. But let's wait for others to give some insight.

Last edited by Kukoc at 4/18/2010 1:20:02 PM

Thank you for your quick reply and advice.

No problem, if you have additional questions drop me a BB-mail.

The little s that shows up in the matchviewer next to players names is not indicative of the depth chart instructions the coach received. This is a bug we should fix, but its a display bug. What the LA-Kukoc said is correct in that the depth chart is ultimately a weight, even for strictly follow depth chart. The weight of the depth chart is weighed against the players effectiveness.. so that if your backup is so much better than your starter, the weight of the depth chart can be overcome and the backup will play more.. including the opening tip. Maybe we should change the GE logic so that at tipoff the starter is always there and the coach subs in the backup at the first whistle, but as i've tried to explain before, you cannot have both a truly strict logic system and one that works flexibly in all possible situations that occurs. Furthermore coaches don't make decisions like that, they go based upon more fuzzy feelings/factors, and finally the system is not designed to maximize training and that is intentional.

And I understand that about training, and am not saying that it messed it up or anything, because frankly it didnt. It will change my tactics for the rest of the week but thats fine, not a huge deal. As it has been addressed now, I had just been curious as to the reasons.

So thank you both again and all the best!

-NS

Is the following a bug or not?
Hopefully some one understand my story

Last Saturday's match (20836489)

Result was WO, but game was played with Default line up

May line up for this game was

Madureira, Harsch, Perilä, Valencina, Rasetic.

In default line up, there is Kiesi (not Perilä).

Now the facts

First Player, then minutes to play in match, and finally time to get train

Madureira, 36, 36
Harsch, 33, 36
Perilä, 7, 36
Valencina, 36, 36
Rasetic, 36, 36

Kiesi, 41, 10
Tarkiainen, 15, 10
Junni, 12, 10
Laurinen, 12, 10
Rueda Marin, 12, 10

So my player Jaakko Kiesi played 41 min instead of 10 min. There was also a risk to injury.
So 41 min injury risk for 10 min train, because of wrong line up used

I assume 36/10 training is made for WO's. I think that possible injuries should be for the same time.

~viipale~

I can't understand your problem. With walkover you get starter 36 sub 10 and reserve 2 min. There are some patterns you need to follow to gain all the minutes.
With blow outs you get atleast 12 minutes for sub (or reserve) + subtitutions in the first 3 quarters. Unless ofcourse there are no fouling outs or injuries.
What does the 41 stand for? There is no injury risk in WO anyway.