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You can't expect new teams to train and expect to save up enough money to compete and stay alive in the abbl in their first season. You need cash to be able to buy those key players as well as backup players to survive.

I can't see why not. Maybe not training 3 players but defiantly 2. I came up and was training Bergman and then started on Edwards year 1 in the ABBL and have trained both the the whole way through. This year i stopped training bergman and added my Hong Kong kid to the mix. I also came up with 1.5mil plus another mil promotion money because i bought players that were salary effective but still very good.

I had no dreams of winning the year i can up but i wanted to stay here so i played TIE against the best 6 teams no matter what as well as in every cup game to have enthusiasm to beat the teams i could. My goal was 10 wins & 5th and i got 12 wins and still finished 5th. I was making in the reigon of 100k profit a week + cup money when i was in and i had players that usually had a lower skill in one or 2 areas to save on wages (like SB on my bigs) so that i could have higher skills in other areas to make me more cost effective. I also was patient and never over paid. I had no PG for the 1st 2 weeks in the ABBL cos i didn't want to spend more than 4 mil on a guy (that's way a 50k PG used to cost)

It clearly worked, i never looked like going bust despite 2 years of 5th place finished that used to cost me a bomb, i have trained a 150k guard and have an elite PG in the making and have worked my way up to 2nd in my half this year.

Also i started 4 of my guys from Div 2 that first year plus the 100k C i bought on promotion. I think from memory i had a 50k PG, 25k SG trainee, 45k SF and 100K C plus 3 backups at around 30-40k. That might not sound like much but they were all well rounded guys that got the job done and kept me up against the likes of C-Cat, Shoei, Doncaster who were very handy teams at that time.

I agree that as time goes on it might be a touch harder to stay up in year one but if you have an eye on being good enough to finish 6th and then win your relegation series i think you will piss in 5th the following year and if you are training well keep on improving.

If your strategy is to come up and just pay the salary floor and then drop back down then that makes sense - it's a legit plan that if you stick to can work. But as Monkey said if you do that then sell the 300k monster the day you win promotion to get his salary off the books

Last edited by coachnoodles at 7/13/2011 7:04:44 AM

I may be wrong but you seem to be grouping all 4 of "this year's crop" as managers who have bought there way to the ABBL. I'm not going to argue on behlaf of the others, but personally I've never bought a player to get me where I am now, granted I was lucky to get Bogan which is probably why I am here. But I haven't and won't ever buy a player to get me or keep me in the ABBL.

My plan is to "yo yo" between the leagues and looking at my economy page atm I'd say it's reasonably effective to this stage.

I have a training plan and have stuck to it, which has yielded me a couple of young stars which I hope to continue to train in the next few seasons.

Effectively I probably accidently got to the ABBL, but that didn't hinder my plan at all, it helped if anything to gain more $$. I will get to and stay in the ABBL when I feel my team that I have built not bought is ready and that's my plan and has been for a while, so don't say I don't and haven't planned.

Mate I dont think anyone is putting you in the horrible disgusting sinfull HA stereotyped box

Fancy someone aspiring to be promoted to the best league when he was too inexperienced to know that he wasnt ready or that he didnt have the right plans in place

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/13/2011 7:41:12 AM

haha i am definitely only referring to HA (not sure about out trusty GM though) - and i wouldn't say you're inexperienced - you've been around as long as me.

Also this is all just semantics - if you're having fun and staying active it's all good. Each of us takes something different out of the game and as long as your happy then that's cool i guess. i guess i get frustrated when i hear people talk about the fact that the jump is too hard (mostly Div 2 teams that haven't actually tried it i might add). As i said earlier if you plan well it's easy enough assuming of course you don't get a massive run of injuries to crucial guys and so forth.


Adam am i right in saying you netted 4 mil from the Jone Bogan sale? If so it's completely understandable that you came up quicker than expected and have had a hard time of it. My mate Greeno was in your div 2 the year that happened and you basically ended up with a really well rounded team and got promoted. Probably the fact that your trainees were a year or 2 behind where they would have been if things had gone a bit slower was all that stopped you staying up.

yes 4 mil.
Yeh and even with that I was lucky to promote.
Potentially but even then I wasn't really planning to stay up at that stage, season 18 or 19 was always going to be around the time in my eyes.

lol no I'm not talking about training players whilst in the abbl.
I don't even think training is relevant in this discussion in the first place since everyone does training..

The point here is promoting too 'early'.. the argument I was trying to get across was already brought up by monkeybiz.. trying to compete in div2 and save money is a pain.. the best I could save was 50k gross a week, if you tanked the abbl you could get 400k gross a week. its a no brainer.

I'm saying there is nothing wrong with promoting too early to get that 1mil promotion money, then tanking the rest of the abbl season... some other people seem to think otherwise.

And like it or not money is a big factor in this game.. look at WA, soon to be 3 abbl titles in a row and look at how jon bogan helped adam guns promote to the abbl too "early", all prime examples of the power of money. Pretty sure WA and adam guns had some kind of plan in process, but the x-factor was the money.

Exactly right, sorry just took what you said the wrong way :)

I'm sorry if the relegating managers (Sid and Adam) feel like i'm having a go at them because i wasn't intending to. It's just something that has been discussed lately amongst a few people and i guess when you're an old fart like me in BB terms, you see a lot of ups and downs and see a lot of promoting teams making the same mistakes every season.

The promoting teams are definitely tougher every season though and this is probably the best group we've ever had i'd say.

My team has the formality of enduring one and hopefully two more lessons from the Doncaster Flames, before technically it can be classified as a relegating team.

How is it that with all this discussion focused of the "sins" of teams that promote too early, that noone has discussed the plight and plans of one of the games most experienced players in Avalon Jets?

In retrospect its not in mine or the Doncaster Flames financial interests for the series to go to a third game



Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/13/2011 4:00:08 PM

Avanlon Jets? I think he was in rebuilding mode most of the season and with good teams such as kynlala knights and monkeybiz coming thru.. he chose the wrong season to rebuild...

Actually I dont really know, cos I was too busy keeping tabs on canberra crushers.

And yes it would be in your best interest to just lose the second game and call it a day, cut your loses so to speak. Or if you think you have a chance to win in the third game, go for broke and go down swinging..

Not sure about the Jets. They played virtually the same tactic week in week out. Shepard could have easily won more games.

If you think you have a chance then you might as well go for broke, who knows you might get lucky by injuring a player or two...