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125704.246 in reply to 125704.244
Date: 1/17/2010 11:35:36 AM
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That was my tactics last 5 years. This is how i am just the 2nd champion of CBBA. He was investing on his guards, i was investing on my big men. It worked very well until this season, when the GE changed. I cant any more count on my big men to win him, it failed.


this season the GE didn't changed, you already have the new ge in your championship season ;)

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125704.247 in reply to 125704.246
Date: 1/17/2010 11:48:13 AM
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That i have played LI only on the semifinals against a team that i had clearly superior big men. All the other PO games i played either RnG, either motion.

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Date: 1/17/2010 5:16:27 PM
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If you search the right combination of players and skillsets, the inside offense is still very effective. Unfortunately I still see many teams playing the tactic with oldskool players, that's not gonna help you.

This team f.e Dutch Pacers (38253) managed to make the required changes.

I have just checked every game played by this team this season and I haven't found a single one that supports your statement. On the other hand I found this (18109987).
Could you give me examples of games where its inside attack proved to be very effective?

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125704.249 in reply to 125704.248
Date: 1/17/2010 5:24:21 PM
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It's lame to check his games of this season, since his keyplayer V.D Linde one of the best PFs in game is injured. Check last seasons games.

F.e Inside Away beats Outside Home (15672155)

(17554581) --> His OF is clearly dominated by the other teams OD, and he still manages to reach his bigman.

Another example where the opponents OD dominates his OF (17565610)

Playing against an outside team without offensive flow that also dominated his OF with a high OD (15672203)

He's playing inside most of the time, and still he's one of the best teams in the top division of Holland winning the cup twice in a row. It's not impossible.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/17/2010 5:45:01 PM

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Date: 1/17/2010 5:44:14 PM
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It's lame to check his games of this season, since his keyplayer V.D Linde one of the best PFs in game is injured. Check last seasons games.

F.e (17554581) --> His OF is clearly dominated by the other teams OD, and he still manages to reach his bigman.

Another example where the opponents OD dominates his OF (17565610)

He's playing inside most of the time, and still he's one of the best teams in the top division of Holland winning the cup twice in a row. It's not impossible.

sorry, but I don't follow you here. Both games are LI vs LI and in both he has the better ratings. And in each game played in the cup last season he was by far the best team on the court.

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Date: 1/17/2010 5:45:22 PM
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see the edit, since I knew you were gonna say this (although he still is a dominating inside team, so again it's possible). Also this are my last words at the subject, as I said before believe what you want to believe, just repeating myself isn't gonna help anyone anywhere.

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Date: 1/18/2010 4:21:43 AM
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If your best center was born with OD 7 or PA 6, that is something you can build a strategy on. On this level Buzzerbeater is a much richer game tactically than some voices in this thread seem to believe.

Agreed. Choosing your trainees and training them to become the players you want them to be is the part where BB really rules :)

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Date: 1/18/2010 4:35:01 AM
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Also this are my last words at the subject, as I said before believe what you want to believe, just repeating myself isn't gonna help anyone anywhere.

while I still believe that an outside focused team is easier to build, I am also trying to understand how to make the best use of LI.
For example, this team seems not care about OF at all and is still highly competitive. He did not have many tight games played lately, but a couple of them are quite interesting, for example this one (17975123). The key for him seems to be the dominant PF, one of the best in the game.

Last edited by Newton07 at 1/18/2010 4:35:38 AM

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Date: 1/18/2010 8:33:51 AM
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He did not have many tight games played lately, but a couple of them are quite interesting, for example this one (17975123). The key for him seems to be the dominant PF, one of the best in the game.


Still a really poor shooting performance for the home team. He won because of rebounding and a great showing from the charity stripe, not because his inside tactics worked. At least, that's my opinion.

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
From: Exos

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Date: 1/19/2010 5:11:56 PM
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If your best center was born with OD 7 or PA 6, that is something you can build a strategy on. On this level Buzzerbeater is a much richer game tactically than some voices in this thread seem to believe.

Agreed. Choosing your trainees and training them to become the players you want them to be is the part where BB really rules


I'm curious why everybody thinks that big men are so horrible to train in outside skills. My 6'8'' (203 cm) SF had 2 passing pops in three weeks of training. I don't know how it works with 7' guys but they have the advantage in the inside skills. Plus the most expensive PG in the world is also 6'8'' tall (so I've been told), try it and see how it works.

Cheers, Exos


p.s. to all:
I had hoped this thread has changed into a more constructive discussion. I was so sick and tired of people listing games and others deconstructing it because on about 10 pages this yielded no real results. Please don't revert to this pattern again.

From: Newton07

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125704.256 in reply to 125704.255
Date: 1/20/2010 3:51:36 AM
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I'm curious why everybody thinks that big men are so horrible to train in outside skills. My 6'8'' (203 cm) SF had 2 passing pops in three weeks of training. I don't know how it works with 7' guys but they have the advantage in the inside skills. Plus the most expensive PG in the world is also 6'8'' tall (so I've been told), try it and see how it works.

203 is no big man. I trained a 208cm, which is still not that tall, in both OD and JR (when there was no defensive switch) and I can tell you it's a pain. For a 22-23 yo, it took me 5 weeks to pop in OD and 4 weeks JR + 3 weeks JS for a pop in JR.

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