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Date: 12/14/2008 5:54:21 PM
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From what i have observed is that FCP works really well against RnG, but do make their FG% increase a lot. It usually averages around 30 turnovers, but their FG% will be around the 50%+ if they have good players.

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how did i loose this? had a better rating in every single category, fair enough i took it easy but that is portrayed in the ratings isn't it? even if it isn't surely it doesn't effect it that much?

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My offensive Flow is worse - that is about it. Other ratings equal or in my favor, especially inside attack with more than 2 full levels better - both playing look inside.

Oh, he had home court advantage - but then he TIEd and I didn't.

I have no understanding for the result.

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Date: 12/16/2008 8:55:25 PM
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I have no understanding for the result.

It's called 18 turnovers.

If you had as few turnovers as your opponent, and scored those opportunities at the percentage you scored the rest of your shots, that's about 12 extra points right there, give or take a couple.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/16/2008 8:56:41 PM

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I have no understanding for the result.

It's called 18 turnovers.

If you had as few turnovers as your opponent, and scored those opportunities at the percentage you scored the rest of your shots, that's about 12 extra points right there, give or take a couple.


Yes and no.

Obviously the turnover did cost me the match. That is one weakness whereas there are some assets for me in the game as well. Normal against TIE. Far better inside attack.

In other words: 5 out of 6 ratings are in my favor. Taking the remaining 1 out of 6 to justify a loss does not at all convince me.

Example given: his scoring % is .45 whereas mine is .46 -> why?! That is both playing inside attack. His inside attack vs. my inside defense is 6 (m) vs. 5 (m). My inside attack vs. his inside defense is 8 (h) vs. 5 (m).

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Date: 12/17/2008 6:20:35 AM
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You lost a rather close match-up where the TO indeed made the difference.
In my opinion you would've more chances to win when playing 2-3 zone, he took 13 offensive rebounds and he was playing look inside.
With an inside focused defense he had a hard time trying to score, less off rebounds and the number of steals you took with your 3-2 was only 2, so you won't miss those by playing another defense.

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Date: 12/17/2008 8:07:16 AM
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Thanks for your comments.

You are right, 2-3 would have been a much better choice. I didn't expect inside attack but outside attack, that's why.

What I am still uncomfortable about is that all given explanations do not consider the superiority of my ratings.

Taking the answers given I would have lost as well with an inside attack of 13 instead of 8. That cannot be it.

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Date: 12/17/2008 9:24:13 AM
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Thanks for your comments.

You are right, 2-3 would have been a much better choice. I didn't expect inside attack but outside attack, that's why.

What I am still uncomfortable about is that all given explanations do not consider the superiority of my ratings.

Taking the answers given I would have lost as well with an inside attack of 13 instead of 8. That cannot be it.


When you look at the player stats, your center and PF scored at a very decent percentage while the other players missed a lot more.
--> Your inside attack stats are based a lot upon the stats of PF/C so although they did their job, the other players failed to score equally.
I assume your score percentages would be higher if your other players had also more inside scoring.

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Date: 12/17/2008 9:52:37 AM
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You are again right.

Being originally a ht-player I tend to give a lot to ratings. I like the BB-idea of certain influences beyond ratings, because that leaves vast varieties of deepening the game-understanding and opportunities to improve.

BB would benefit if some of the "hidden" aspects would become more clear to more managers.


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Date: 12/17/2008 10:02:43 AM
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BB would benefit if some of the "hidden" aspects would become more clear to more managers.

There's nothing hidden in this aspect: scoring opportunities are decided by individual match-ups. In other words, imagine that each shot at the basket is a miniature one-on-one game between player X and the player guarding him. How this "game" works out is calculated by a comparison of some sort of a combination of player skills and the relevant team ratings.

Moreover, I have no idea whether all your turnovers were caused by low offensive flow, since I have no clue what the skills of your players are. Mathematically speaking, however, the extra turnovers did cost you 12 points, which was the difference in the game. Finding what the problem is and how to fix it -- that's already your job as a manager of your own team

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 12/17/2008 11:20:35 AM
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BB would benefit if some of the "hidden" aspects would become more clear to more managers.

There's nothing hidden in this aspect: scoring opportunities are decided by individual match-ups. In other words, imagine that each shot at the basket is a miniature one-on-one game between player X and the player guarding him. How this "game" works out is calculated by a comparison of some sort of a combination of player skills and the relevant team ratings.

Moreover, I have no idea whether all your turnovers were caused by low offensive flow, since I have no clue what the skills of your players are. Mathematically speaking, however, the extra turnovers did cost you 12 points, which was the difference in the game. Finding what the problem is and how to fix it -- that's already your job as a manager of your own team :P

Thank you, your post includes quite some valuable aspects.

But even though I risk to be too redundant: all explanations would also apply if my superiority in the relevant attack comparison would have been even much higher or lower. That's the last unsatisfying bit...

And now to something completely different! I am glad to understand that "nothing hidden in this aspect" goes so well together with "How this "game" works out is calculated by a comparison of some sort of a combination of player skills and the relevant team ratings."

*lol*
(no harm meant)


Last edited by Pallu at 12/17/2008 11:22:13 AM

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