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166078.25 in reply to 166078.24
Date: 12/15/2010 12:30:00 AM
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Folks, there's no use to point fingers here. Let's just stick to the topic.

Thank you.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 12/15/2010 3:43:06 AM
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I'm sorry that US is the most popular for sports.


only in th point of view of a american ;) On a worldwide view, you would have more cricket visitors then baseball, and the majority of dudes are looking and playing football.

The thing with head to head, is that you can not make the same comparision for all "comparision" wihich would make it hard here(especially because the majority of users don't know the rules of the "most popolar sports") and u had to handle things betwen the conferences different. The end game logic isn*'t fit for a head to head comparision too.

Also i like the point differential because it is easy, and over a bunch of matches also fair because you don't need extra calculator for researching all pssible head to head groups.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 12/15/2010 5:22:53 PM
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I think baseing tiebreaker on 2 games is worse than basing it on the whole season. With different effort possibilitys we might get 2 crunches with 2 losses because of those crunches dipping the scoring scale for the H2H tiebreaker losing team. Also national cup creates a situation where you just have to field your second lineup with towelboys being the bench players. We already have to cope with playing leagues other side top 4 teams away, when your closest rival has those games at home. Additionally basing your playoff tie-breaker on that one match just does not seem right.
Some things in real life are just not the best solutions for this game. I would not want 82 game season that lasts a calendar year. The tiebreaker is not points scored, it's +/- points. Are you saying that good defence teams can not get a good +/- stat?

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From: j9s3

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The tiebreaker is not points scored, it's +/- points. Are you saying that good defence teams can not get a good +/- stat?


No, I am aware that the tiebreaker is +/- (points differential) and I have no problem with that. What the original poster asked was what the tiebreaker after +/- is, which is total points.
I understand good defensive teams can get a good +/-. But they are at a huge disadvantage for total points if they're defensive focused. (Also keep in mind that the tactics - slower pace v.s. faster pace - using slower tactics doesnt mean a team is worse than a faster paced team. Just like focusing on defense doesnt mean a teams is worse than a team focused on offense.)

I understand the national cup problem, but the H2H is at least reasonable and justifiable, if not fair (national cup creates other sacrifices too). A one-game playoff is in a neutral arena is justifiable too. So is using the 2 tied teams' records in the last half of the season (I understand the teams played are different). However, there is no justifiable argument for the total points rule - it is not reasonable at all, because it says nothing about which team is better (basketball is not a shooting competition; there is defense involved). It is not in basketball tradition either, so there is no reason to feel ashamed of not using it. The total points tiebreaking rule is just an unfortunate and illogical rule implemented in the system.

Last edited by j9s3 at 12/15/2010 5:46:17 PM

From: Monkeybiz

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166078.29 in reply to 166078.28
Date: 12/15/2010 5:50:12 PM
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Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.




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Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.


Almost never, and Extremely unlikely :)

But I didnt bring the subject up. Just responding to the OP's question about tiebreakers after PD.

From: Monkeybiz

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Date: 12/15/2010 6:36:36 PM
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Exactly...it is extremely unlikely for this to happen.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?



H2H can present its own set of issues which I won't get into. PD is the most logical choice for simplicity's sake for a gaming environment. Not everything has to emulate real life.

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166078.33 in reply to 166078.11
Date: 12/15/2010 10:47:45 PM
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when does the league playoffs start?

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166078.34 in reply to 166078.33
Date: 12/15/2010 11:14:43 PM
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The Tuesday after the last league game, so the 28th December.

From: j9s3

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Date: 12/16/2010 12:17:37 AM
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So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?


Because we have nothing better to do :)
I doubt it matters, but it's just the principle that doesn't make sense, and some people have the OCD-like need for even the smallest things to make sense.

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