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189480.25 in reply to 189480.24
Date: 7/12/2011 11:48:18 PM
LionPride
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I'd like to add that any question on defense can be answered by looking at a Heathens box score.
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Heathens really didn't have any single offensive threats on their team but they didn't need it since there guards had 18+ OD, with bigs and guards both having very high rebounding. By all means the ratings suggest they should have lost that game since LMA's IS rating easily trumps Heathens ID. However their high OD ratings not only stopped outside shots, it also stopped LMA's guards from being able to pass the ball into the lane. The rebounding made it so that Heathens didn't have to have elite level scoring since they will grab so many more rebounds that they are bound to score of the vast number of chances. Heathens never shot a very high percentage in any of their season.

So if there is anything to learn from Heathens it is that defense and rebounding are king in this game.

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189480.26 in reply to 189480.25
Date: 7/13/2011 12:10:29 AM
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They had had an incredible matchup advantage at the PG spot, of course they won the game.

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189480.27 in reply to 189480.26
Date: 7/13/2011 12:47:02 PM
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I have starters below 10 OD, and I haven't found horrible OD ratings...that said, either get some 9-10 OD guards or 3-2 zone.

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189480.28 in reply to 189480.18
Date: 7/13/2011 12:53:17 PM
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And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.


Why does it matter? You can flip-flop PG/SG for defense if need be......


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 7/13/2011 12:54:54 PM

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189480.29 in reply to 189480.28
Date: 7/13/2011 1:35:40 PM
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And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.


Why does it matter? You can flip-flop PG/SG for defense if need be......


Agreed. That's what I do.

I always think the ratings everyone advocates are funny. If I had all of the defense, passing, rebounding, whatever they are saying you need to be tremendous in, well, if I had that I wouldn't be playing in D4.

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189480.30 in reply to 189480.28
Date: 7/13/2011 4:01:20 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.

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189480.31 in reply to 189480.30
Date: 7/13/2011 4:14:15 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.


A "respectable" outside defense guard CAN defend on the perimeter in D4, which was the original question of the poster. If he's supported by other guards by higher skills and positioned well in the defense, you'll do fine in D4. You might even have your league's top defense, like I do. In this case, the guy's my top scorer, so I cut him a little slack. (6820817)

As I said before, you can't have all the skills you want in your early seasons.

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189480.32 in reply to 189480.31
Date: 7/13/2011 4:20:39 PM
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Respectable outside defense can guard point guards in D4.


That said, it is far from ideal. If the dude was a point guard, it'd be a reasonable concession, considering point guards are very expensive.

But for a mono-skilled jump shooter who can't pass or rebound. It's absurd.

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189480.33 in reply to 189480.31
Date: 7/13/2011 5:43:31 PM
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Why would you do that rather than just having a SG that's a good defender. If your shooting guard can't defend the perimeter he doesn't have much utility.


A "respectable" outside defense guard CAN defend on the perimeter in D4, which was the original question of the poster. If he's supported by other guards by higher skills and positioned well in the defense, you'll do fine in D4. You might even have your league's top defense, like I do. In this case, the guy's my top scorer, so I cut him a little slack. (6820817)

As I said before, you can't have all the skills you want in your early seasons.


I think this depends on the league...Last season I won my DIV league with 15 and 13 OD. And it took every bit of that great defense to get it done. I played in a very tough DIV league at the time, and it wasn't the norm...but still, all it takes is one high scoring team with a balanced attack, and 7 OD won't be enough. Thats great that its enough for your league...but that definitely doesn't hold true for all DIV leagues.

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189480.34 in reply to 189480.33
Date: 7/13/2011 7:52:01 PM
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I think this depends on the league..



Thank you.

too many people come in here saying you need this and that without taking any consideration to the level of the person asking the question. You don't need 9 or 10 defense playing in many of the lower leagues in win and if you want to play with the BBB boys, you better bring a lot of better defenders to the game than that. All you need to be is a little bit better than your current competition so you can move up. Nothing more.

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189480.35 in reply to 189480.26
Date: 7/18/2011 3:19:08 PM
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Go look at my last stint in D4. I believe it was season 12? Own3D and Wahoowa were both in my conference that season and I went 22-0. go ahead and tell me how I did it. I had the best defense in the league and far less offense, but one convincingly. All three of us are playoff teams in D3 and Own3D actually made it to D2, but is relegating back down. We were all defensive minded squads. Defense is far more important than offense.

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