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Or the eastern and western conferences could be done based on the place users mostly logged in during last season.

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There are some points for playing vs the same teams seasons after seasons. It create some long terms strategy and develop specific rivalry, both in your own conference and between both conferences.

The Strength of the two conferences is an issue. And maybe conferences could be rebalanced in some way from one season to the next. Rank the teams somehow then split them more or less evenly.

We had an extreme case last season, as both teams from the same conf lost the play down. Moreover the new team being demoted from the stronger division, gave up the game and is now a bot . The result is that one conference get 4 new teams, 1 bot and three from the lower division. The other conference is significantly stronger, having the favourite for the final two seasons in a row but failing to promote because of injuries.

We had an extreme case last season, as both teams from the same conf lost the play down. Moreover the new team being demoted from the stronger division, gave up the game and is now a bot . The result is that one conference get 4 new teams, 1 bot and three from the lower division. The other conference is significantly stronger, having the favourite for the final two seasons in a row but failing to promote because of injuries.

This often happens. When there is a gap between both confs, It may take a long time before it gets balanced.
You can check my division : 5 winners in a row from conf2, frequent differences in wins between both confs, and often 2 teams from conf2 winning the playdowns.

I think I'll open a new thread with my suggestion as it's not about changes in league structure but changes in matches schedule.

Instead of playing 22 games with 14 matches vs your conf and 8 vs other conf, I suggest we should all 22 matches in below order:

1. Vs your conf
2. Vs Second conf
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21. Vs your conf
22. Vs second conf

By doing so we will eliminate any miss balance between conf and won't have to change the game that much.
The only downside is that teams will play the first 15 games vs every team in the league while in the renaming 7 games teams will play only vs some teams.

This will increase randomize value of schedule in beginning of the season, but I think it's ok as we have this effect now a days as we don't know which team we will play home or away in the second conf. As long as it's randomize it's fine as luck changes each season

Sounds quite good to me. And it would also make it a little bit more difficult to win your conference if you're in an "easier" group. And also the chance to maybe play twice against an opponent from the other conference would make it fun.

That's true, but then what happens is that you don't play all teams from your conference twice. Four of them you play twice, and the other 3 only once (home or away), and against the other conference you play 3 teams twice and the other 5 only once. It may make it interesting in those cases when one of the conferences is harder than the other, but it may also happen that you end up playing the toughest opponents only once, and away from home!

If we are playing teams from both conferences the same number of times, why not abolishing the whole conference separation? You have a 16 team league, and you play 6 of them twice and the other 10 once, to total 22 games (actually in this case 24 games would make more sense). In the end the top 8 make the playoffs (1vs8, 2vs7, etc), 9 and 10 stay put, 11-14 play relegation series (11vs14, 12vs13), and 15 and 16 go down. If we want to keep the two separate divisions, I think it makes more sense to play the teams in your division twice. I like the idea of having all opponents sort of on the same ground, but I think it fits better without separate divisions.

Cheers!

I would like to abolish the whole conf separation but it's well rooted in the game in terms of American basketball (All - Star and other elements...)

This will be an easy solution to implement.

I don't know, I think it's tricky to play teams from both sides equally while keeping them separated. It can lead to weird things. Imagine you're fighting your rival for playoff position, and you get to play all the top teams from the other side twice while he plays them only once (and at home!). It's a huge swing...

The all-star game is really the only thing that needs the east/west separation, but honestly I don't think it is that important for users. And you can still have it. Just have the voting as usual, then the most voted PG goes to team 1, the 2nd most voted PG goes to team 2, the most voted SG goes to team 2 and the 2nd most voted to team 1, etc.

A proposition based on NFL scheduling:

Division Home/Away +1 : 9 games
Same Conference, Other Division: 4 games (2 home, 2 away)
Other Conference Other Division (alternates by season): 4 games (2 home, 2 away)
Same Division rank last season: 3 games

Big N---Big S---Great E---Great W
--A-------E---------I----------M
--B-------F---------J----------N
--C-------G--------K----------O
--D-------H--------L-----------P

Sample schedule
wk 1 Sat A @ B;
Tue A vs C;
wk 2 Sat A @ D;
Tue A vs E;
wk 3 Sat A @ F;
Tue A vs G;
wk 4 Sat A @ H;
Tue 8 A vs B;
wk 5 Sat A @ C;
Tue A vs D;
wk 6 Sat A @ I;
Tue A vs J;
wk 7 Sat A @ K;
Tue A vs L;
wk 8 ALL STAR GAME
Tue A @ E;
wk 9 Sat A vs I;
Tue A @ M;
wk 10 Sat A @B;
Tue A vs C;
wk 11 Sat A @D
Tue Wildcard/Rel1
wk 12 Sat QF/Rel2
Tue SF/Rel3
wk 13 Sat C1/Rel4
Tue C2
wk 14 Sat C3
Tue Scrimmage


Playoff teams: Best overall record (TB=division record, then PD) in division (seeded 1-4, by overall record then PD), + next 6 best records (PD) (seeded 5-10, by overall record then PD)

PLAYOFF BRACKET
bye---- 1
7-------vs winner
vs winner--------|
10----------------vs winner
bye-----5---------|--------|
---------vs winner--------|
bye-----4------------------|
----------------------------vs (3games) champion
bye-----3------------------|
---------vs winner--------|
bye-----6---------|--------|
8----------------vs winner
vs winner--------|
9-------vs winner
bye---- 2

RELEGATION BRACKET:
14h
vs rel1 winner
15 vs rel3 (3games)
11h

13h
vs rel2 winner
16 vs rel4 (3games)
12h

This would make for stronger divisional rivalries, at least 1 post-season game for everyone (either relegation or playoff), a slightly more difficult (easy) regular season for strong (weak) teams, better playoffs (since we'd take the best 10 overall teams instead of the best 4 teams from each conference) with the chance for interconference playoff games.

I'm not sure it'd be perfect, but the idea sparked, so i thought i'd throw it out there.

Last edited by rhyminsimon at 9/20/2012 1:08:52 AM