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Normally someone in the top league would not be allowed to manage the NT or U21, because of a conflict of interest (i.e. you picking a player rather than another has an impact on your opponents' and your finances). As far as I have played this game, no D1 manager in England has ever been allowed to manage the NT. China might have been different, because in a bigger country the top league doesn't weigh much on the total users and in the community.

Managing the NT gives so many unfair advantages to a D1 manager who gets elected, which, as I said, should be counted as a minus for the best manager discussion, not a plus.

Of course, it is also debatable that a manager who wins with the NT or U21 with one of the top 6 nations in BB (by users) deserves that much credit if he gets to a WC semifinal or regional final.

Edit: Btw the Canadian guy won 13 in a row not 14-15...but even 13 straight that's way past a generation of players. Nobody's ever lasted that long at the top (winner) in his own nation as far as I know. At some point you need to rebuild and someone will slip past you or you will have to demote so that you can train. See where Mamba is now. But yeah 12 titles in the largest BB country sure does make his case quite compelling.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/2/2014 1:19:39 PM

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Why did you think I'm talking with you? This is my personal opinion, you won a lot but for sure you are not the only one that had high salaries, believe me nothing against you, otherwise yes I would answered directly to you, that's not so difficult :p

But yeah 12 titles in the largest BB country sure does make his case quite compelling.

Italy in fact is the largest BB nation, closely followed by Spain. There are another 5 countries bigger than China. 6 if you wish to include Utopia, which isn't a country, and while I'm rambling off topic, Utopia should never ever be considered as a country.

On the subject of Utopia, since we're all anointing in advance the first champion of Utopia as the best ever BB manager, if his team immediately blows up because he commited everything in a speedy charge for the top, knowing he'd never win another championship once Utopia reaches maturity, will he still be the best ever?

On the subject of Utopia, since we're all anointing in advance the first champion of Utopia as the best ever BB manager, if his team immediately blows up because he commited everything in a speedy charge for the top, knowing he'd never win another championship once Utopia reaches maturity, will he still be the best ever?

My point was a counter to the opinion that someone in the early days cannot be considered the best manager because 'it was easier', 'less competitive', you name it. My take is that the early days were similar to Utopia in a way and calling that 'easier' is just ludicrous.

If the first manager to win the Utopia D1 title blows the team up after his 4th season, that would be exactly the same as those managers who have blown up a team after going deep in the B3 tournament, except that even getting in D1 in Utopia will be in itself an accomplishment which less than 2% of the managers in Utopia will achieve. In order to get there, the winner will have had to go through 3 promotions and I'm highly doubtful a manager who will have managed such a great exercise between payroll and arena expansion for 3 seasons will go bust after the 4th: it would be like doing the opposite to what he's done in the previous 3 seasons. We'll see.

In any case everyone has different criteria. We should just have a poll with the names and the achievements listed.

Having been around since season 3 and seen a lot of good to great managers, I think only Mloty and Dionsyus come close to BC Toroo as the best-managed teams. The BC Toroo teams were a lot better than anyone else, and JBM Crock went to Brazil and won well, quickly.

But I would definitely place BC Toroo first, Mloty second and Dionsyus third, with maybe a shout out to King Drive Ballers as another top manager, and a German team who's name i can't remember, which was very good for a while without resorting to boom/bust economics.

Last edited by Elmacca at 11/2/2014 4:56:14 PM

and a German team who's name i can't remember, which was very good for a while without resorting to boom/bust economics.

You mean ESV Laim. He won the BBB in season 11 and lost the final in season 12 because he set the scrimmage line up for the game -.- He was the world rank no. 1 for 4 seasons (season 11-15).

Not only Mamba from China, but also rwystyrk from the Czech Republic.

He got himself the B3 title (and thus was also the former world #1), 11 league titles, 6 national cups, on the NT side he won for the Czechs a total of 3 medals from the European championships (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze) and also the World Championship victory in S20.
He coached the Czech NT from S11 to S22 (and got them to the world #1 as well), the U21 from S6 to S9.

So yeah, for us Czechs playing BB, he is a legend. ;)

Last edited by King_Domm (CZE/U21) at 11/3/2014 7:21:02 AM

yeah or perhaps another manager reaping the benefits of having control of their country's NT?

Very impressive CV.

You just don't get his achievements, and also I was not the first guy to do so on this thread ;)

You just don't get his achievements

I understand exactly his achievements, do you understand my points?

I'd like someone to explain why managing the NT and winning D1 titles is not easier than just manage a top division team. I've already argued that people should be removed (not added) points in the discussion for best manager if they were managing the NT when they won D1 or B3 titles, as managing the NT does give a substantial advantages compared to the rest of the field.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/3/2014 9:37:06 AM