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Well ultimately the team is yours. I think we're saying different things: you're saying I can enjoy the game and accomplish my targets with a smaller arena. We are saying, that's not the optimal solution for 99% of the users, who don't want to play against the odds. That's it.

I think the extra money from the larger arena is a very nice thing to have, perhaps it's even needed when competing in D2 against several 500k+ or in D1 against 850k-1.5m payroll teams (running a loss in the final part of the season).

I've seen more than one person quitting because of arena building.

20k arena can sell out in DI, DII, and DIII. What you said is true about the smaller arena making the same money as the bigger arena, but it is only true if your team is doing well. If your team is not doing well, the bigger arena has the advantage. The bigger LT section is less susceptible than the bleachers to attendance swings, and you can adjust your prices to make sure that the people who no longer want to buy LT tickets for your crappy team will buy bleacher tickets instead.

The other x factor is that you shouldnt really be spending money at the DI level on arena building. USA DI is super competitive and if you have to spend 2+ million dollars on your arena and not on players you will not last long.

Last edited by Phyr at 2/17/2015 8:37:46 AM

Okay, I'm convinced. A big arena is nice for a D.II or D.I team.

ok, but my current team is not even 3 complete seasons old, yours is 10. of course in 10 seasons my arena will be much bigger than it is today, but probably it will be much smaller than yours and give me back more or less the same income your current arena brings you (but I will have spent much less on arena expansions).

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 2/20/2015 9:06:50 AM

I hate to say it . But this were your wrong, there is a actually formula to building arena. You can buld it small and profit but It has to be near the right number of seats. every level need a certain amount of seats to profit .

It wise to ignore the % early and just build seats, because in the low leagues its does not matter if the seat are empty. You have only gained not lost on the seats, because there small cost expemt on your 1st build. The second is actually covered as well if you get it to or near the right numbers%... This why it smart to do arena in lower leagues to hell with buying players.

The BB guide pretty much back up my claim here. if you do arena in a higher league lets say 3-1st div you lose a lot of money per seat not bought. This is a fact.

I will put it like this, I spent around 3~4 mill for my arena in low leagues ,in a higher league it would have cost me 5-8 million. I would have made 3 million .taken in around 1.7 million.. I would've lost 5 million+ in higher leagues doing arena. I'm not adding player cost here. Thats 5 million you can spend else were. That why team go bankrupt 50% of time .The arena in top wont recoup the funds because you don't have the correct % or any thing over the number to create any value to cover cost.

Look I spent 3~ mill in low div on arena. I make 2.2 million a season. in the 1 and half season in low leagues those seats are paid for, here on out I can profit every time I build them regardless of cost.. Because there is a correct % in the higher leagues to attain. Which I've/or whom ever have already met day one. This is were extra profit come from not from a player or selling them.. It come from arena, as matter of fact selling players is not cost effective. arena can cover all all team cost and bring in more revenue all the way up to the highest level.

You never have to sell a player period,Selling a player effects arena revenue in the % you get. Some would call it merchandise. Those seat don't have to sell in low leagues. You have lost nothing. This rule is only for the higher league of play and get more strict as you go up.

So yes there is a % in seats to have. That's why it very important to build arena in the lower leagues because it cheaper and pays for it self faster in a cost out put. The higher lever is about players, which mean spend to do both and none can expect great results it too expensive unless your lacking salary cost from the league. You'll end up in red the end over time. This why you have more flippers. Because they don't know a damn thing about arena.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 2/22/2015 11:46:47 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I am I sincerely apologize.
>> Don't 100 lower tier seats cost the same to build in Div V as they do in Div III?
>> Don't 500 bleachers cost the same to build in Div IV as they do in Div I? I never knew there was a sliding scale on the cost of building seats.
>> And don't I make nothing on empty seats?

Mr. G and others, I appreciate your explanations. I just see it differently. Not saying I am right, just that I see it differently.

>> Don't 100 lower tier seats cost the same to build in Div V as they do in Div III?
>> Don't 500 bleachers cost the same to build in Div IV as they do in Div I? I never knew there was a sliding scale on the cost of building seats.
>> And don't I make nothing on empty seats?



1/2. No they don't cost the same , it based on % once you build them later you have lost money.

3. that rules don't count in the lower leagues out right in strength. This rules apply's to higher league more because when we 1st start ot those seats are already covered for a short time. And if we build it right the second time to the right % it remains covered. Just keep building it right and we lose nothing throughout.

Just because some have the right % arena in small amount and see great income don't mean they are seeing all the profits that the arena can give them. Some are losing 2-3+million a season. Yes they making some nice money but not all the money they could have. If lose nothing or gain nothing.. you still are on 0. Seat not selling only apply to higher or very competitive leagues


If we a have a competitive team in the top league and not flipping/selling player we all can see will alot of money. this rule apply to everyone who play. Competitive team are rewarded in arena, the one selling players every and doing other things are not as much. Arena is always the 1st from of income and the most important.

Some see the market and say I can make 2 million on player and it become addictive . They say to themselves "Hey I don't need more arena seats if I can sell a player for 2 million each time". This is flawed logic to have as a BB managers, because players lose value while arena never does, just because 1 seat not filled don't mean it has lost value because it based on %. once hit the cap it about pricing. This is way its important train because when player lose value he can have exp and skill to keep ur team afloat till we try to rebuild or find new blood. Once players start losing value/skill your losing money and only way to get it back is the arena seats. Some go a buy new player, hey that one way to play it. But this why a lot are going bankrupted spending what they don't have.

Arena is a saving account not a building full of seats, the more you put in earlier the better. Think of it as escroe.. If we try to do that as we go not a lot money.You may have 3 million in the bank but you actually have 1 mill.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 2/23/2015 10:42:07 AM

>> Don't 100 lower tier seats cost the same to build in Div V as they do in Div III?
>> Don't 500 bleachers cost the same to build in Div IV as they do in Div I? I never knew there was a sliding scale on the cost of building seats.

1/2. No they don't cost the same...

Aha, I was not aware of that. Mine have always cost the same, Div V, Div IV and Div III. Do you have any examples of the higher cost I will face in Div II, if I get there? Also the very top division? Is it different from country to country?

And maybe there should be a mention in the Game Manual that arena seats cost more to build in the higher divisions, because there is no mention of that currently. http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/rules.aspx?nav=Arena