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Date: 8/13/2015 2:43:09 AM
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Yeah that's the one I had in mind, apparantly I just mixed it up because that one goes by seconds and the one posted here was the simplified version. I stand corrected.

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Date: 8/13/2015 6:17:30 AM
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No problems I just read that as a couple times a season.

From: Phyr

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Yeah my chart came from the bb training project

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Oh my bad. You are right.

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Date: 8/13/2015 7:49:32 AM
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Strongly disagree with the statement that blowing a team out has no effect on trainees getting 48+ minutes. Wacky things happen in garbage time. I don't really recommend CPDC either.


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blowing out is non advisable if you want your player to play 48 min.
play to lose on scrimmages. assign your center as PG, SG as PF, choose the worse tactics, anything you can do to avoid winning, or worse, blowing out.

9 players is also key. don't play with more than 9 players if you want 48 min.

then pray for your trainee don't commit many fouls and don't get injured.

that's pretty much it. works 80% of the time. there is no 100% warranty. still the best way to train. when it doesn't work, try to use his minutes changing the training to 1-on-1, stamina or free throws.


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Date: 8/14/2015 2:59:29 AM
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Have you tried to calculate the financial loss by only using your expensive trainer for 2 players instead of 3?

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Strongly disagree with the statement that blowing a team out has no effect on trainees getting 48+ minutes. Wacky things happen in garbage time. I don't really recommend CPDC either.
And you'd be wrong. Every single sentence in your post is incorrect. This reply is also for the 6 people who liked your post and seem to support misinformation.

1 sentence+2 sentence. Garbage time does not affect the substitution pattern any more than described by Perpete and Manon. This is my Utopia team (276019), I have 3 trainees, Mr Porridge (34618483), Mr Corny (35872040), Mr Turtle (35439933). Note that Mr. Turtle had much better inside skills for the entire duration of his training (in other words, he has been really playing out of position at PG). I invite you to check how many times they missed 48 minutes because of a garbage time. Hint: the number is 0. In fact, as far as I can remember in 20ish times I trained single position in the past couple of seasons none of them has ever missed training.

Garbage time is very predictable, the bench players get subbed in and play. If you have less than 5 bench players they will follow the depth chart in both SFDC or CPfDC if they had been assigned a role as backup. If you have 5 bench players and some don't have an assigned role then the coach might sub them in at the positions where you haven't selected a backup or where another player has been slotted as multiple backup. If you have 5 or more all the bench will go in, if stamina/skill allow for it. Again those with no assigned role will sub in at their best position.
As mentioned, it's extremely predictable, if you have a full lineup set.

Bottom line the sub patter in garbage time with 4 or less players each with a selected position as backups in SFDC and CPfDC is entirely predictable and I'd like you to show proof if you maintain this is not the case.

3. You're also wrong in not recommending CPfDC either. The manager you replied to is actually correct in saying that both SFDC and CPfDc are equally fine. CPfDC yields better ratings and prevents the wacky sub patterns where all the starters are pulled at the same time. Also by setting a better player as backup, that player will play the bulk of the minutes without approaching the 40 minute mark where he would otherwise get to. However CPfDC is bugged as when the backup is much stronger than the starter, then the coach will subvert the Depth Chart set by the manager and will start the backup. Even when this happens the better player will get less minutes than he would have had in SFDC.

CPfDC basically evaluates the players selected as starter and backup at any given position, based on skills, game shape and stamina. However each player is given an additional coefficient depending on whether he was slotted as starter or backup, starters have higher coefficients. As stamina reduces during a game a substitution is triggered if the guy on the bench overtakes the guy currently playing in his overall evaluation (which includes the starter/backup coefficient). When even with the starter coefficient the backup has got the better evaluation outright, the coach will subvert the depth chart selected by the manager.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/14/2015 5:35:53 AM

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Date: 8/14/2015 5:32:15 AM
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Maybe I'm not being clear. So if my guy gets 47 minutes half a dozen times and 46 minutes three other times over 8 seasons of training, how many extra weeks of training are needed to make up for lost time and to attain your desired results? Probably not significant.


I am blowing out like 70% of my opponents and I am training 6 guys - unless there is an occasional foul out or some injury I almost never had issues with getting 48+ minutes. It's quite puzzling why so many people have problems with getting the minutes right.

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