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The cool thing would just be if the players from bot teams could go on TL on the 1st week of the season, to give chance people to buy good players or talents, more money would get out from the game because no one get it.
Micro nations would have more potential for trainies and some perspective future too.

Few useful things for sure.

This would definitely be a very very good thing to do. The amount of potential great players we have lost due to "junk data" being drafted by real managers and true gems rotting away with bots is insane.

Don't yuo think it would devaluate the rookie market too much?

Don't yuo think it would devaluate the rookie market too much?

Hopefully yes. As Manon said the draft is a huge gamble, where you can make top dollar. If we want parity, every team should be able to get great prospects at a fair price.

But the amount of players could be too high. Just think about the number of bots. Of course not all of them would have a player who will end in the market, but still their number could be enough to have a very high impact, not only in the market, but in the game.
Draft would be completely useless, allstars and perennials stars useless as well if you are trying to sell them... And I'm not sure it will end with the 4-5M transfers of the best prospects, but affect the players who currently are being sold at more or less fair prices.
Unless the requirements are high enough to limit the number of players accordingly, or from my point of view it will kill the rookie market.

But the amount of players could be too high. Just think about the number of bots. Of course not all of them would have a player who will end in the market, but still their number could be enough to have a very high impact, not only in the market, but in the game.
Draft would be completely useless, allstars and perennials stars useless as well if you are trying to sell them... And I'm not sure it will end with the 4-5M transfers of the best prospects, but affect the players who currently are being sold at more or less fair prices.
Unless the requirements are high enough to limit the number of players accordingly, or from my point of view it will kill the rookie market.

From my point of view: It will put an onus on training of rookies. It will sort out those that are homegrown, those that stay their nation, those that don't etc. But, it will put more of an emphasis to everyone on training players, as now even allstar and pa players in TL that could be decently worth it to train, end up in bid wars, potentially going out of range for newer managers, managers with less cahsh flow, managers who haven't yet grasped the economic simulation of this game yet.

With this oversaturation of the market sure it will kill prices of rookies for selling... but all that means from a different angle is it makes selling TRAINED players more lucrative and more beneficial, as now anyone can get a prospect, but the well trained vs poorly trained players separate themselves from the pack more and more. From my perspective more players being trained is a good thing for BB and the BB economy. I understand why the selling of rookies is so lucrative, but if you look at real professional sports, its not the brand new rookies that have the most value for sale or trade etc. That's why draft picks especially in the 1st round are so coveted by every professional sport. Nobody would sell their first round draft pick for a handful of cash just because they can. Where the $ gets spent most are on that batch of people coming off of their rookie contracts, hitting the market for the first time (unless they re-sign) and they have played for a bit, trained, and been brought up to speed more so on the level of competition for which they play. That's where the most $ gets spent and where players should/do cost the most to buy and get most to sell/trade, etc.

... out of range for newer managers, managers with less cash flow, managers who haven't yet grasped the economic simulation of this game yet...

With this oversaturation of the market sure it will kill prices of rookies for selling...

These managers you describe are the most likely to have a high draft pick, and your plan is to kill the value of that pick?

The value of the pick is only there if they draft well. Or know how to draft at all. Which is not something to be assumed or taken for granted. Do you always see the best prospects go in the top picks every time?

The value of the pick is only there if they draft well. Or know how to draft at all. Which is not something to be assumed or taken for granted.

I agree.

Do you always see the best prospects go in the top picks every time?

No, I do not. But I suspect that as a team moves into more active and competetive leagues, the likelihood of the best prospects going in the top picks increases.

... but all that means from a different angle is it makes selling TRAINED players more lucrative and more beneficial, as now anyone can get a prospect, but the well trained vs poorly trained players separate themselves from the pack more and more...

The value of training is only there if they train well. Or know how to train at all. Which is not something to be assumed or taken for granted.

So... since we are marginalizing the aspects of gameplay inherent to the draft for the same reasons, should we not also marginalize the aspects of gameplay that come from a good training program as well?

Now, I've answered your question. Will you answer my question? My question is this:

Does your suggestion help you personally in your current situation more than it will help a new manager with a top pick, assuming that you both know "how to draft"?

I started halfway into season 30. You started Washington Mystix at the beginning of season 34. You got at least $339,600 worth of arena seats that I did not (someone correct me if my numbers are wrong please). You should have gotten an 18 year old All-Star potential "franchise player" also (Randy Ross?). And now you want to destroy the draft and basically give everyone good Superstar potential or better 18 year old trainees for peanuts...

The draft, the arena, the transfer market, game day preparation, team tactics, staff, the ratings your team gets relative to what you spent on your roster and what you pay them each week... these are all opportunities to separate yourself from other managers. That's the game. That's the gameplay. Decisions. Do I upgrade my arena or do I save up for a better player or transfer trainee? Do I invest in the draft this year? Do I really need that trainer with career extension or can I get by with one 10x cheaper?

I look at where I started out, with all the mistakes that I made, and where you are now, and I can see why you would make this suggestion. But I also look at where I think you will be in another season or two, and I think you'll realize that your suggestion would have robbed you of the fun and challenge and more importantly an aspect where you will come to separate yourself from other managers.




Last edited by Harold Miner at 8/8/2016 1:50:54 AM

My suggestions "try" to be more geared to being mutually beneficial to everyone, new managers, vets, BB, people that seem like new managers because they didn't play a ab when they were pregnant or had a young child.

My Randy Ross guy you might notice or deduce from my transactions page was easily replaced by cheaply found similar but better prospects until failing even as a scrimmage scrub he was sold off.

Though, you hit what feels like a bigger issue to me when you talk about trainers, trainer specialities, and trainer prices. Nothing about the current set up for purchasing trainers equates to newer teams being able to compete as well as more established teams or tankers.

Do I want to destroy the draft? No. Destroy the Transfer market and trainer/Doctor/PR guy market, absolutely they need to be destroyed as they have extreme flaws to them. Do I have suggestions on how to fix them? No. So it's not helpful to spout repeatedly how they are broken with no constructive criticism of how to fix them or with atleast alternative solutions.

But the market disparities effect the competitive balance.