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Your last statement makes things even worse, since compared to the linear progress of coach levels, the difference between lvl 6 and lvl 7 or even lvl 5 and lvl 6 is even lower.

However, I do believe, or at least I hope, that those 3% stated by CP are wrong, and the actual difference between the coach levels is much bigger, even at higher levels.

Regarding the prices, besides the fact that people don't care about the money, I find them not being aware of the actual outcome of their investment. At least that's my case, since I've ben training for many seasons with lvl 6 coach, and feel that I've spent a lot of money for not as good "product" as I expected.

Last edited by ig at 1/26/2018 2:54:10 PM

All datas regarding training are an approximation. The problem is, training is not a linear equation as, the same authors of those studies, said once...and the sample of the comparison wasn't ever that big.

I may agree that you can produce an excellent player, TSP 130 with a level 4. Based on initial skill set, elastic effect etc. you can reach very high levels. However, assuming 3% is a right estimation, the difference in training provided by a coach does not represent the entire volume of training gained. Reaching higher levels sooner would enhance the cross training received by players, adding a % to the difference in terms of pure training.

I am not saying with a lv 4 you cannot train very very good players, I'm just saying reducing everything to this percentage is not a reliable way of thinking

Over time I came to draw most of my conclusions based on the info they had at the US NT site. Proud to have contributed with several seasons of training entries too. It was some amazing work they did there... shame it`s not available any more.

Adding my 50 cents - to put it short the difference between lvl 4 and lvl 7 coach, with all other factors been equal and say 55 starting TSP player, is ending up with 136 / 142. Whether those 6 SPs are worth it or not is a matter of circumstances and opinion.

When you are fighting for #1 (no matter club or NT) I think it`s definitely worth it. When trying to promote from div 4 to the top league - probably not... ;)

IIRC, wozzvt's data showed that the difference from lvl 4 to lvl 5 was about 3%. And the level difference was about the same for lvl 5 to lvl 6. But the only level that ever yielded enough data to be certain enough about was lvl 5. He never made pronouncements about the level differences below 4 or above 6. Add that to the explicit non-linear nature of BB levels, and this would lead me to believe that the differences between trainer effectiveness is greater than 3 when you go below 4 and less than 3 for 6-7.

I can't give hard data for this, but it wouldn't surprise me if the difference were something like this:

7=100%
6=99%
5=97%
4=94%
3=90%
2=85%
1=79%

But it would take more technical knowledge than I have to resurrect wozzvt's work and verify that. Besides, most people who make any real effort to train rarely have anything lower than a lvl 4. So I doubt we'll ever have real numbers about the lower levels.

"When you are fighting for #1 (no matter club or NT) I think it`s definitely worth it".

I doubt a lot that spending about 20M for lvl 7 coaches throughout the whole training period is worth it. To make that statement true, you have to reach a 170-skilled #1, I guess

I doubt a lot that spending about 20M... is worth it.

Of course you do, you are a jew! ;)

When it comes to NT money is no thing imo. I regularly buy heavily overpriced Bulgarians just to "save" them because we have very little to work with. Guess what lvl coach I`m training them with. Sure it`s economically inefficient, no doubt about that, but I`ve come to a point where I really want to see my NT improve, no matter the cost.

From the club perspective - you don`t necessarily have to spend 20M.

On one hand, in the last several seasons of training (say when they hit 25) you don`t need that lvl 7 coach any more because the bonus that he`ll give you is less than a skill point till the end of training.

On the other hand if you`re smart and patient enough you will sooner or later get a deal. A while ago I bought my lvl 7, 8k salary coach (yeah, they come up sometimes) for 3,5 million. This coach has cost me a little less than 3,3 million in salary for the 7 seasons that I used him. This makes less than 7 million total cost.

Now assuming the alternative would be a lvl 5 coach that would still cost you at least 2,5 - 3 million for the same period we have a 4 million difference. Divided on 3 players (although for at least half the time you are training 6 if you want to be efficient) that`s an additional 1.33 million in training costs per player. To me it is a fair price for 5-6 additional pops.

*and no, I couldn`t get to 170, the best I had was 153! ;)


Last edited by minkacha at 2/14/2018 4:54:45 AM

A level 7 trainer with 8K salary for 3.5million???? That's the steal of the century! I've never even seen a level 7 with below $20k salary. If that unicorn popped up on the market now, I'm guessing he'd go for 20+ million.