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Your "recap" of Yoav's actions are just your own interpretation made to fit your outrages claims from before, so I'd like to do a recap of my own.

You made 2 statements in your first comment:
1. "Monoskilled players do not sell well on the market"
2. "Nobody will train a 100k+ salary monoskilled player out of position"

Actually there was a third false statement about managers in Israel recommending having 6/7 trainers plus facilities, not only is that ridiculous because you don't need facilities or high level trainers for a monoskilled player, but Alon also clarified that wasn't case yet you still insist on having them as part of your "calculation" of how much it costs to train in your latest comment. whatever, on to the main dish.

Yoav pretty much destroyed both of these statements, but let's go back a bit before that. First, Alon showed you that monoskilled players do sell well, he provided one example which you dismissed as some kind of conspiracy because he was bought by an Israeli team, but when Yoav showed you one of his players was sold (for even more money) to a team in Macau and told you that the Israeli player had a bidding war over him you make up an even crazier conspiracy about Israeli team inflating the price, needless to say, backed up by zero evidence. And the player sold to Macau? Not even mentioned by you, probably because it doesn't fit with your conspiracy. No matter how to try and spin it, your statement about monoskilled players not selling well was just wrong.

Next, Yoav showed that you can train a high salary player out of position and still be competitive, but that doesn't fit your way of running a team in BB, because it's not as efficient. I mean, if you want to play the most efficient game, why not sell your entire team, buy a cheap lvl 4 coach, train a bunch of cheap trainees, sell them after 4-5 season and repeat for about 4 cycles until you have insane amounts of money, then just buy the best players, have a crazy payroll and start winning titles? probably because that would make the game boring as hell. well, some people like to see their NT/U21 (or their players in the NT) succeed just as much as their own team. I know our community is like that, maybe the English community is different and people only care about their own team. "To each their own, I guess".

You repeat all the same time after time to make youself seem smart and can't even think of the possibility that you are wrong, while actually you are (I'm also involved in our community and know what's going on there). This is a well-known sympthom, called overconfidence, which can lead to pure trolling.

Spreading the same bullshit over and over again doesn't make you right. Well, I'm done with this pointless conversation.

Last edited by ig at 5/15/2019 7:45:32 AM

You've got all the arguments from our users. Well, from now on you'll stay here alone with your VERY useful self-conversation , I guess

Last edited by ig at 5/15/2019 8:01:00 AM

but Alon also clarified that wasn't case yet you still insist on having them as part of your "calculation" of how much it costs to train in your latest comment.

I assumed a lvl 4/5 trainer. lvl 6 par is like around 80k per week including initial fee. We can agree 163k+17k=180k and 17k is entirely reasonable as the average cost for a lvl 4 trainer. Math.

So you specifically left out the part where I wrote "Actually there was a third false statement about managers in Israel recommending having 6/7 trainers plus facilities" So it would fit your delusional argument better? That's pathetic. If you need another reason why your calculation is wrong here it is, no 18-19 year has a 100k salary, that's pretty obvious, but if your trainee is over 19 you won't have a youth trainer. Your "calculation" has both a youth trainer and a 100k salary. Logic.
I won't reply to your rant about training because you disregarded the main issue and dove into my examples like they were the subject here, also I don't appreciate you replying only to what you (think you) can answer and ignoring what you clearly can't.

I've been active on the forums since around season 23. You give some very good insight on various topics and generally I view you as a very credible source when it comes to BB information. With that being said, I think this conversation has gotten out of handed I don't agree with you on this one.

Mono-skilled players don't mean subpar training when it comes to U21 NT. I won four gold medals for the USA U21 NT from seasons 26-29 and the training process looks entirely different for U21 than it does for NT or even a regular team on BB. The USA has also had numerous players throughout my tenure who were basically only trained in primary skills and still went on to play games for our NT down the line.

True, it's only 107k salary at 21yo, 35k par value (could be more actually) for the trainer and 15k for the facilities. I refuse to believe anyone would train without the extra crosstraining pops, that would be really really bad especially for farms, who will use those facilities forever. That's 157k/week and 157*14=$2.2m. I guess those 300k/season change everything and make it economically viable.

I assume you accept that the other dude training the 24yo is paying 180k minimum.

Nobody ever mentioned lvl 7 trainers, but as for the advice you like to give new Israeli managers you seem to make other stuff up.

Now you 7 brilliant minds of BB: you pay 2.2m in ONE season and you won't sell such a player for 2.5m as demonstrated by 2 of the 3 players I mentioned above going unsold. The last is up for 2m and has no bids, so not even that will do. As suspected, it seems even the last piece of misinformation you have been spreading is getting exposed.

I have a suggestion: keep posting in that weird language of yours, maybe nobody will be able to tell what's true and what's logical if you do that.

That's all true if you ignore the fact that the first couple of seasons the salary would be waaaayyyy lower. so the calculation for the first season would (4k salary + 35k par+20k yt)*12, that's around 700k and the next 2 season would be closer to that than your calculation which is only true for the 4th season of training. pair that with 2 more trainers and you can make a nice profit. Is it the best you can do? no. But like I wrote before it's about the having fun and some people enjoy training U21 players.

Edit: forgot to mention, Alon specifically said there were no cross training facilities, so what you believe doesn't matter, there's just the truth.

Last edited by Ori at 5/15/2019 2:24:32 PM