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36033.26 in reply to 36033.24
Date: 6/19/2008 10:33:55 AM
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I am curious where this information comes from


Yeah, seriously. It sounds like one of those things where people just assume because Hattrick does/did something in a certain way, BB must as well. (Because regular goals in HT were generated this way, AFAIK.)

The meme I've seen repeated many times that the top skill determines salary is another likely BB myth that fits this category.

I know a couple of things on these topics with relative certainty (read: official statements on the issue):

Salary seems to be based on a weighted package of skills depending on positions (remember the announcement on PFs right before last draft?). The fact that players get classified in positions based on their top skills likely bias this towards salaries being determined mostly by the top skill, but this is clearly not the only deciding factor.

Teams get a series of 'looks' at the basket for the 24 seconds they have for an attack. I've heard nothing about how assists are determined on those looks, and which comes first -- determining the passer, or whether there is an assist.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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36033.27 in reply to 36033.25
Date: 6/19/2008 10:36:15 AM
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I am curious where this information comes from


that's my opinion (sorry if i forgot to put an IMO)..
it comes from my experience and observations, NOT HATTRICK..
i thought that it musn't be too hard to get to that result after playing this game for a few seasons..

I am curious how one can determine that the assisting player is determined after the decision whether there is an assist or not. This is not necessarily false, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the match report that suggests it.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
From: Shoei

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36033.28 in reply to 36033.25
Date: 6/19/2008 11:05:25 AM
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you said "does not mean that he has a great passing skill, that means his passing skill is much higher than his playmates.."

then explain how come my pg who has a better skill than my center, but my center ends up to be part of the leader board for the past 2 seasons

wouldnt it show if your pg has a better defender or a slight or good defender though probably your pg is better than the defender there are instances where in he hounds your pg.

also wouldnt it be also a effect if the teammates having offensive skills more better than the defense an example is sensational inside shot to a strong inside D. or suited to the play or another is if the offensive players offense sucks more likely or so he will prompt to force shots that arent going to go in or get quality shots.

because i have gone against a pf and a center who's salary is 2x than what my big men has but if i join them together since they have the highest of inside d i can see the offensive player have a hard time scoring though they dominate but it limits then on a certain time

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36033.31 in reply to 36033.29
Date: 6/19/2008 11:35:19 AM
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I am curious how one can determine that the assisting player is determined after the decision whether there is an assist or not. This is not necessarily false, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the match report that suggests it.


i don't know if you're interested in programming or not, but i can't think of any other logic..
if you don't decide whether there will be an assist or not, it's meaningless to determine the assisting player..
of course there are some possible options but they are hard to implement..
for example:
a player takes the ball and decides what to do, he can pass, drive or shoot..
since the shotclock is not working so well, i'm sure that this system is not used..
the simplest and logical way to implement an offense is to decide what will happen first..
IMO..

Actually not really.

The situation is as follows: we have that each team gets a series of looks, which have a certain quality. They can be scored or missed.

However, the quality of the look is determined prior to when the shot is taken, and since the quality of the look depends on the quality of the pass, it is logical that if a look is assisted, the passer is known in advance. The shooter can choose between passing up on the shot, shooting, or driving to improve the quality of the look. Naturally, an assist is only recorder if the shooter takes the shot immediately.

From a programming point of view, it actually makes better sense to do it this way, since there will be less conditional statements.

So it goes like this:

look1(passer1, shooter1)
look2(passer2, shooter2)
...
lookX(passerX, shooterX)

My understanding is matchups in BB are treated invidivually (player vs. player), though the skills are modified by team ratings. So I see zero logic in assists being generated solely based on team ratings.

But of course, most of this is just speculation. I just want to point out that there are alternatives.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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36033.33 in reply to 36033.20
Date: 6/19/2008 6:41:15 PM
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i dont get it ?

why are we tackling the issue of personal stats when we are talking about offensive flow


I am trying to find out if I should invest money in training or buying players with good handling and passing skills. I assume that if you are getting assists, you are getting high quality opportunities. However, assists seem to be at a premium in this game.

So does that mean offensive flow is worthless? Are my efforts better spent on training shooting or rebounding? Or is offensive flow working in a hidden way that you do not see in the stats?

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36033.34 in reply to 36033.31
Date: 6/19/2008 6:50:04 PM
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Naturally, an assist is only recorder if the shooter takes the shot immediately.


I don't agree with this principle. Maybe it is the way the BBs implemented it, but that's another point. A player can take an ok pass and use it to drive to the net. Should the pass in this case not still count as an assist?

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36033.35 in reply to 36033.33
Date: 6/19/2008 7:23:06 PM
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from what i think, whether your teammates get a pass before taking a shot doesnt mean your pg has a good passing skill.

another indication of a great passer is when for example you are a team that has build more on a type of offense, like some i see who cant win if they adjust their offense to another type. when it seems your in check meaning the defensive team really made a hell of a game for you in terms of lockig your team, youll find somehow a number of quality shots which are coming from positions your offense isnt usually accounted for,

an example would be a run and gun play but your checked by a right kind of defense and instead of your guards forcing shots your center or pf became the leading scorers ( dont mistake this since the offense is a outside oriented offense but cant utilize, your big men skills accounts to this but since they are a superior and im not saying superior than the defense, your big men happen to be recipient of passes since your source of offense is clog because the defensive assignment is mostly aim at the guards). or a look inside offense but your sf and sg are the scorers.

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